Well, first thing, what the hell is "borked"? Its not a offical english word, so explain what it is. This word does not exist in the english dictonary.

Anyway, I´m not sure. I think the problem is, that in todays world and society, those who can manipulate, control, beat and punish, those who kill, get futher then those who follwo the path of peace and freedom. You need to be a real asshole to get the big cash. People are facianted by the idea to use and misuese people to get to thier goal.

I mean, comics, books, hollywood, all tell you the same: the evil, bad motherfuckers get the money and the girl, smoke weed and shoot those who are in your way. The Good, honest people, the heros we know are only a illusion, a dunny figure, that is a relic of old times. If you are a good guy, you have no real life and are not "unique".

They are afraid to be just a number, a face in the masses of ordinary people, just somone who dosent matter. The fear of the gray guy, who lives his life in a always repeating pattern, whjere he is nothing speical. Its a existince fear, the fear to be forgotten, to be no one and everyone at the same time.

Thats why the create alter egos who are evil, they are so much not the one that the real people is. He thinks he is like his chara, but he isnt, he is just afraid to be known as the "good guy" that he is "normal", he cant risk that. Being "normal" means to be in line with the society, or not?

They want to break out of that, they want to be like thier chara, they want to be thew gyu with the money, the chick and the gun, who always wins, and in the real world, it seems, evil awlays wins.

Pardon the less-than-diplomatic reply, dear heart: borked = broken; messed up; damaged. Also used in its' place: FUBAR (old acronym used in the military meaning "Fouled/Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition" and its' many variants.

As for them NOT being like that, sadly, from a fair shake of speaking with many of these folks on their outlooks, I would say the contrary. Usually not ruthless or manipulative or even evil, but more along the lines, dear, of broken mentally in some way by their own descriptions, backed up by attitude and action.

It sometimes makes me wonder if it is some sort of trend to /enjoy/ being diagnosed with some sort of clinical psychological problem, or whether it is simply that it is now the "in" thing to be psychologically dysfunctional, or what.

Wearily yours,
Mika

Well, guess a lot of people seem its "cool" to have a mental illness, so they are uniqe or can be among the others who are the same. Maybe artist tend to go crazy sooner then normal folks, who knows?

I certainly don't, love, and it wearies me seeing it. More, it wearies me because it is so damn COMMON, and it seems to be reveled in. Such bothers one like myself, who likes to try, perhaps desperately and unrealistically, to see the good that should be there in all folks.

Well foxy, first-above-all I suggest that you relax as soon as you notice yourself feeling distressed or confused over the situation. Peace makes things stable, and a stable system is a healthy system.

I made a few posts/replies at bottom, about some of the main factors...

Yep.

Lotta broken folks out there.

Being a writer, I know the neccesity of having imperfect characters. (Perfect characters are ultimately as boring as the perpetually broken ones.) But the meat of any story is what the characters do about their situation. If all they do is revel in their broken-ness, then it's not a character worth paying attention to. It's merely a self-serving charcter description. A 'Look at me, I'm a bad-ass/broken ass'. Sorry. I'm not looking. Give me a character with a story that gives me ideas on how I can deal with my own life, and I'll pay attention.

Broken isn't cool.

It's just broken.

Yah. I'm sorry if my replies to all of this are lackluster, but the entire subject has kind of left me feeling saddened deeply, confused as hell, and emotionally reamed.

<Grins and hugs Mika> Your character name is Mika? Interesting. I have a character by that name in my Wilderhom Trilogy. I created her about seven years ago when I first started the novels, but didn't know what to call her. Looking up some baby-naming sites on the internet, I found an old Ojibwa Indian name that meant "Wise Little Raccoon". It was 'Mika'. And it seemed to fit the charcter. True, she had the wisdom of experience, but she had her faults too. She also eventually overcame those with the help of some of the other characters in the books. One need not stay broken.

As to certain individuals who enjoy being broken? They are here, and will continue to discolor our world as long as they are here.

I, however, will seek out those who wish to live life better than that.

*hugs back* Yes, dear, my online name is Mika. Kyubi because the character is a nine-tailed Kitsune, Mika named after the artist Mika Akitaka, who did Gundam Girls and Galaxy Fraulein Yuna, along with the character designs for other shows. Mika is also a decently-common Japanese name.

And indeed, I agree with your final sentiment, yes indeed, dear heart!

I personally do not understand why people are so broken. And I'll admiot, I'm a little broken too, but I do not revel in it. Just like vice and cruelty, being broken is a part of being a person.

We all wish to be above our broken state, but many people "revel in it" simply because they've given up. If you can't be a nice guy, then the f*** with it, be a bad guy. After all, this isn't just said in the entertainment, but it's also a significant part of human history: The bad guy typically wins. The only reason we can say the good guys do is because history is ultimately written by the victor. There are exceptions where the good guys win, but in reality, they are few and far between.

Basically, I will say upon my fellow humans as [World of Darkness reference] the Nuwisha (were-cototes) say upon the garou (werewolves), "What they really need is a collective enema" (Werewolf Player's Guide, 2e, Page 175)[/World of Darkness reference]

Heh!

Simply put, Mika, this is Survival of the stupid. It's a harsh view, but mankind has broken the borders of natural selection. It used to be that the broken, insane, and criminal were put to death, keeping their genes out of the pool. But these days, they're sheltered, given pardon, forcefed medications, and let loose to mingle in society.

It's not just the bad aspects of society either. We have people with weak genes becoming dominant ones that affect society as a whole. Even war doesn't do much to weed out the weak, they just make them into tank drivers instead. So there's nothing to cull the heard these days. If gene modification ever becomes a big thing, defects and the like may get pulled out in the future, but if not, we'll just have to cope with broken minds and the like in society.

It's the view of a pessimist, I know, but it's probably true in a lot of ways.

Look at it this way:

It has always been someone who is very different than the rest of the current world that breaks into the spotlight and sets the target for a new social trend.

Then, the rest of the socially programmed SHEEP follow... mindlessly, unwaiveringly, and unable to make large deviations aside from slowly broadening the target area until the entire point of what originally made it cool is lost.

Sometimes it lasts weeks, months, years or even decades, but it does eventually fade.

So... pretty much, until we start seeing I-R-Broken! t-shirts on grandmas that use walkers getting to the bus from retiree homes... its going to be around, visible, in our faces, and promoted as how we all should be and act.

... at least, if you're a SHEEP.

I think Mika tried putting it a bit too politely. There's acting like a sheep, and standing out from the rest, which are, fine, sorta. But she's referring specifically to the people who post about 'This is who I am. I'm a fucked up individual with all these problems.' It's not a matter of normal people, it's a matter that too many people are being grievously abnormal, which is worrying her immensely.

Well... this is fandom. We don't always have a base group of 'normal' to begin with, but yeah, I know what you mean. I make a lot of daily efforts to steer myself away from a lot of the animosity thats all around because all it does is just stir up some of the worst aspects of people, and that's really depressing to watch over and over again.

By the way... that icon is amazingly hypnotic. *Giggles!*

I think it's mainly down to the net to do with the sudden influx of idiots. Rhen hit the nail on the head with mankind having broken Natures elimination of the weak / stupid genes from the gene pool but the net also allowed these morons to vent their idiotic rantings into the world.

Emos drive me nuts, my sister is one and some of the time she's alright to talk to. However most of the time she can be a right pain with her temperament and attitude.

I picked myself up after getting into a dead end job as you full well know Mika and now finally got myself onto what i wanted to do. But these emo's won't bother fighting to bother to start at the bottom of the pile and thusly whine/ bitch/ moan about how 'life is unfair' etc etc etc.

I've had moments when i've thought "Why do i do this?" but i keep pressing on knowing it can't last forever.

I've run across a few basket cases and after realizing how they are, usually dumped them on the wayside. I'm here to have fun, chat to good friends and make new ones when i can.

:-3

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In physical biology, each species has its own breed and race of parasites.
Examples: "Dog heartworm", "Fish tapeworm", "Pork tapeworm", etc.
But the human is his own parasite.

Political power is taken from civilians.
Political power is finite, and the more one man gains, the less the common people will have.
"I have not come into this world to make men better, but to make use of their weaknesses." ~Adolf Hitler.

Cannibalism, ancient history, the culture and the genes that prove it:
http://samvak.tripod.com/cannibalism.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/....._cannibal.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism

I will not be surprised of or when a cannibal species abuses itself, destroys its members, exploits itself, kills its own, etc.
It's bad terran DNA.

Also I must say, you too are borked, insofar as you are experiencing dis-ease, and the insides are festering.

As regards the psychological problems of commoners:

HAARP and satlite mind control, aswel as cell towers, 24/7 propaganda on the TV, micro doses of continueous poison in the water and food supplies and in the air, Jewish Zionist bankers owning the global market and the stocks, world-religions, a genetically defective species,.. the list goes on.
There is ample "reason" for utter failure to properly exist as a living or sentient being on the earth.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Tomy why did you say that?

I totally agree with your rant. There ARE too many freakish characters in today's stories. The widespread appeal for sensible heroes (and even villains) hasn't dwindled, it has just been gradually forgotten those who write and publish said stories --- they are totally out of touch with the masses.
People gravitate toward stories about characters they can identify with, and rightfully so. Rather than mere "main characters", the average person prefers a tory with a "hero" --- someone they can look up to. Just look at Hollywood movies in the late'70's through early '80's, for example. When "Animal House" was released it was a huge hit, because it was totally outrageous. Then came "Porky's", "Police Academy", "Revenge of the Nerds", and so on. The avarage theater was playing slob-flicks on at least half of it's screens at any one time, and movie-goers were tired of movies whose theme was something like, "Let's all get drunk, party, have sex, and vomit 'till we all pass out!" It was total hedonistic nihlism, in cinematic form, for alost ten years on end. Sure, there was "Star Was", and "Indiana Jones" and such, but these didn't appeal to the majority of veiwers.
Then came "Chariots of Fire", which about nothing more than a few determined athletes in the 1924 Olympics --- it was a runaway success. This film was full of "possible heroes" (to use your definition), who were not only portrayed as normal people in an extraordinary situation, but they were all sane, decent, classy "possible heroes", and the viewers thought that was really cool.
Then we went straight back to movies with freaks as the characters like "Pulp Fiction" (again outrageous, but unprecedented and interesting nonetheless), and a whole slew of "Pulp Fiction"-wannabe-crap movies, ultimately climaxing with "Gigli", whose only credible achievement was that it dropped the F-bomb 124 times.

One more thing, mikakyubi; It's a good thing to rant about total clusterf***s like the "characters" in today's fiction, and the idiots who think they're just wonderful --- other FA menbers may say otherwise, but don't drink their "Koolaid"!
Venting when besieged by idiots is just as satisfying as running down a horde of zombies in a Main Battle Tank.

"Crush those idiots!... er... zombies!"

ok, first, let me say that if you're considering yourself 'normal', that's a big part of the problem. you're no more 'normal' than i am. and we know i'm not. i'm not as messed up as some of the people you're talking about, but that doesn't mean anything.
the world's going down-hill. this is a given. everyone knows it. i mean, if those you hold closest to your heart can lie to you for months, or totally seem to avoid you, why should strangers be any different? those that are closest hurt you deepest.
look at some of the characters of your closest friends. i bet hardly any of them have a 'happy' past. 'happy' pasts make for boring characters, really. if you have a crime fighter, why do they fight crime? other than the fact that crime is wrong. usually something has happened in their past to make them do what they do. look at batman. look at superman. look at the heart-ache and pain any of the super heroes, or any other character for that matter, has in their history. it's what has shaped them into who they are.
and, with that said, if you feel i'm worthy to talk to anymore, feel free to comment on this. i've gotten used to being 'forgotten' and 'ignored' and 'overlooked'.

Hello, love.

Yes, it has been an overly-long time. For this first and foremost please allow me to apologize to you, before we get further into the nitty-gritty of this almost essay-length reply.

I'll address each point as best I can. If possible, I'll mention examples salient to what you've brought up. As well, when I can get the opportunity, I'll discuss these points with you in detail personally, unlikely though I know that must sound.


ok, first, let me say that if you're considering yourself 'normal', that's a big part of the problem. you're no more 'normal' than i am. and we know i'm not. i'm not as messed up as some of the people you're talking about, but that doesn't mean anything.


No, dear heart, I cannot say I consider myself "normal". Far from, considering that merely by being a furry fan I have diverged significantly (some would say unacceptably far) from the mainstream of society. If I may be so bold, I disagree on one point in there, though: the depth of divergence does have meaning in this case, as it is the salient point of my entire rant.


the world's going down-hill. this is a given. everyone knows it. i mean, if those you hold closest to your heart can lie to you for months, or totally seem to avoid you, why should strangers be any different? those that are closest hurt you deepest.


Yes, love, I do agree that there are fundamental things wrong in the real world, matters that go far and wide beyond the scope and depth of my rant above. On the more personal jab in there, dearest, that I shall address as it should be, personally, as opposed to such a place as here.


look at some of the characters of your closest friends. i bet hardly any of them have a 'happy' past. 'happy' pasts make for boring characters, really. if you have a crime fighter, why do they fight crime? other than the fact that crime is wrong. usually something has happened in their past to make them do what they do. look at batman. look at superman. look at the heart-ache and pain any of the super heroes, or any other character for that matter, has in their history. it's what has shaped them into who they are.


There is a difference again in the depth of the situation. While a character with an interesting past is, I agree, a necessity for literary interest, a past that has not one single happy point ever makes for just as boring and one-dimensional a character as one with an unblemished, happy one.
On the superhero end of the spectrum, this depends upon which "era" or "age" of comics you hold dear to. Golden and Silver Age comics held to the main reason for fighting crime was that it was morally wrong and the concept that an upstanding citizen should and indeed must do their utmost to prevent it on a moral basis. When you slide ahead into what is known as the Dark Age, also called the Iron Age, a phase heralded in by Frank Miller's seminal work "The Dark Knight", you start moving into a phase where tragedy and strife, as opposed to moral views, are what motivate the heroes. Often in Iron Age comics, there are indeed few if any morals held by the heroes that make them better than the criminals they fight. In some, it indeed makes them a "cure worse than the disease".
More recently, this view has thankfully (to me) begun shifting, with the heroes portrayed working from a fusion or synthesis of the two viewpoints, where it is neither a purely moral high ground question nor only a tragedy that motivates them. While there are exceptions to this, of course, this is rapidly becoming the de facto standard.

What I am protesting is not the making of interesting characters, dear, but the making of characters who are basically insane psychopaths with not a shred of morals whatsoever, glorifying them, and then going so far as to state that these fictional characters represent them in real life, perfectly. That the writer and creator isn't merely finding similarities in themselves, but is indeed completely and utterly these characters.
I can no more believe that a person has utterly and absolutely not one single moment of happiness in their entire life, from birth until this very moment, than I could believe someone telling me the Sun is black today.
I am also protesting the glorification and lionization of these unsavory, antisocial, and hostile traits. They are not something to revel in and glorify. I am sure you can understand that there is nothing glorious or even laudable in the slightest such things as rape, genocide, murder, torture, and the like. I am reasonably sure that you can agree on that point (as I know you well enough to say you are too sweet even at your bitterest to glorify such things).


and, with that said, if you feel i'm worthy to talk to anymore, feel free to comment on this. i've gotten used to being 'forgotten' and 'ignored' and 'overlooked'.


I shall ignore the personal jabs there, Kenly dear. I comment not out of any feeling of guilt, but to put things in perspective. And yes, dear, I've been out of touch something fierce, though this has been due to matters here in the city I live in, as opposed to by desire.

Still loving you muchly and saddened by my accidental hurting of you,

Yours in care,
Mika

Though this is much late to when it was first posted, I think I should just post a comment.

The characters that are seen now are not the whole of them all. There are quite a lot of books with various types of characters, as there are many people with there owns characters as well. Part of who the character is depends on the surroundings by which he/she/it is created. Be it good, bad, or a mix of everything.
The final character may or may not change depending on the person who created it. The thing is it's simply one character, there are many more. Some are here on FA, being a furry (fur, whatever anyone wants to term it), others follow on different ideas such as the ideas from Dungeons and Dragons, or other table top games. The stories behind leave for interesting characters, though they won't be found here, maybe on another site, or nowhere on the internet at all since it's more personal. There are also the "completely original" characters and ideas that never get out into the the light for others to see be it because it never gets published, or because it's not meant for the world. There is much more beyond that though, I only mention the ones I can think of off hand...
Those characters can be good, decent people, and have a tendency of being so. A lot of people are good, and know what they want and how to do so. Some just follow the "norm" and do as others do because it's popular.
And on top of all of this, this is only in English. There is much much more found in other languages that are unknown because of the above reasons and because they aren't in a language known by you (as an example).

The main point I think I trying to point out is regardless of how much you see there is more out there that may not follow that. There is only so much time in a day, and a life to know things, that there is more that is not known. The truth is just from your own experience, which may not be some other person's truth due to his/her own experiences. And then even if the experiences were the same, the choices that were made still affect the person and character(s) that is/are made.

Then just one more point about the people who are their own characters, which ties with the above. Some people are there own characters, and then there are people who just are themselves, who do not see themselves as anyone or anything else. Though throughout it all, people are however they want to be. The can be "normal," have a "normal" life with the bouts of joy and pain, but act another way entirely around someone else, and vice-versa. There are the ones that are broken but put up the good face to the world and no one knows it's simply a face. Like the saying goes, can't take things at face value (judge a book by its cover).

Hope that people have things happen, try to help those that need it, and want it. There are some that don't want help, that do revel in what they are, but there are more that want help, but can't get it, or don't know how to use the help they have. You do as you will, but I'd suggest to care for the ones you believe should be cared for, others you can try to help, but if they don't want it, don't take it to heart, and just move to someone else.
Though of course this is all my take on things, which may not be yours, which probably isn't your take.

Anyway, hopefully that made some sort of sense. Good luck with what ever choices you do and make the future to come.

My thanks, dear heart, for a long post, and one that is well thought out from a literary standpoint, amongst others.

I am thankfully aware that many folk out there have relatively intriguing and "normal" characters. As you may have noted from my various replies to folk here, I am referring to those who are rather specific, those who state there has never been happiness nor anything bright ever in their entire lives. I am not referring to those for whom the character depicted is a "snapshot" of a moment, nor those based out of a literary or roleplay genre, but those very specific ones who claim that the character as depicted is their real-life self true and accurate, then go on to describe themselves as what amounts to sociopathic, often psychopathic types.

I for one cannot possibly imagine a single real person out there who has NEVER had a single moment of joy EVER in their entire lives. It just makes no good logical nor realistic sense.

As well, I have recently been inundated, on one of (undoubtedly many) sites I go to (but the only one I know of commonly and frequent) that hosts character biographies for IRC usage, by an overwhelming flood of these specific kinds of biographies, replete with warnings and requests not to question them, that this is how they REALLY are, and that they have no intention to change, so save your breath. I found and indeed still find this depressing, annoying, frustrating, and indeed just plain sad.

I have many friends who, due to either physical troubles and ailments, mental and emotional stress and problems, or a combination of both, put on a brave face to the world. These aren't the people I am railing against. I am railing against those who allow themselves to sink into the mire, then revel in it as if the mire were some glorious place one should be proud to be in, in some dark manner.

As you could see, it got to me a bit of time ago. Thankfully, I managed to put it past me after venting it here. That, plus a trip to the Shrine of Inari not too far from my home. Sometimes, you just need to lay your troubles at the foot of a deity and you can feel a little better.

As I mentioned above, many thanks for answering me. It is appreciated. May you as well find happiness and luck on whatever road you choose to travel. ^_^

Yours,
Mika Kyubi
Kitsune-at-Large