I agree with splitting them up by rating or genre as it would make it easier for you to spot what you are looking for. There was a game store back at hime (Is gone now TT ~ TT ) But it did just that and I always found the games and stuff I was looking for and new games (Ar Tonelico 2 which I love to death) By this system. Would be great if they did it to anime and mangas as well, origination makes everything that much more awesome~

It sounds like that game store was onto it! I would like to see that all over the globe. Frankly i look for the M on my titles before ill try something at random. There is little enough respect for child intelligence as is. As an adult, i shouldnt be subjected to that much censoring as well.

as usual ur vast knowledge has shined uppon us once again.. i totaly agree with the consept of seperating the games.. since they do it at local video stores.. if this was really was the case whats stoping videostores from placing "backdoor sluts 7" next to hanna montana.. the situation should be treated as u said.. have a seperate room with an adult/mature sign on it..

should i get my pitch fork and torch?

Its cool. There are a lot of rilled up angry mothers attacking the industry. I figure if you can turn them into the force that organizes this stuff id be all the happier for it.

So much stuff is getting banned when it should just be getting put else where. It wouldnt be a problem if these parents didnt know about it cause it wasnt in their face.

First off:

*Hug*

Second, I first started playing m-rated games when I was 5 (good old Doom, you made memories). Hell, by the time I was 9, I was playing Duke Nukem 3d, and it didn't affect my early childhood at all (other than occasionally drawing a picture from a game I played).

What I'm basically saying is that I don't see a problem with m-rated material next to normal stuff, regardless of it's forms (anime, mange, games, etc...). As long as it's covered up by something (brown paper or otherwise), I think it okay.

Just seperated is all im asking for. A shelf of its own clearly labled you know. You dont have to brown paper bag it. There is a lot of adult content in books and movies, but parents dont bitch about that cause they dont go looking for it.

Mature content is available on the market for all other media. Theres the occasional threat thrown at the porn industry, but its all half heated now cause they've got there protocol worked out.

While I see where you are coming from Nai-chan (in fact it is something I never thought of as an idea, and would be a brilliant way to shut up the anti-game people if it DID work), I don't think that's the reason why mothers have trouble picking out the appropriate games. After all, movie DVDs are all piled together on the shelves regardless of if they're violent or not, yet you don't really hear mothers complaining about how violent movies are overall (at least not even close to the same level as videogames).

Honestly, after working in Gamestop for several years, it just seems to me that the mothers who complain are often the ones who don't treat the retail workers' opinions as being serious; I came across a TON of mothers who bought grand theft auto despite me slapping the fact in their face that it has wanton murder and prostitution, but they ignored my warning, bought the game, then came back and complained. They would instantly be shut up when I pointed out the warning I gave them, but by then it's too little, too late isn't it?

A lot of consumers need to get it into their heads that (most) retail workers know what they're talking about and aren't talking out of their butts, and actually heed warnings about videogames that the retail workers give them.

you cant trust retailers who just want to sell you something so they can meet their quota, or get paid by commission. However if someone who does have to meet their quota and they're telling you that you shouldn't buy a game, then there's probably a reason for that.

Man, i can see where your coming from. Its really frustrating when they're breaking the rules and asking you to pay for it, but i feel if it was out of their site it would be out of mind.

However, If they actually had to walk into a section marked 'MATURE GAMES!!!' thats like several flavors of disclaimer. I just think at that point if they tried to complain officially you would have a stronger argument.

The thing is, why should games have to do that yet movies do not? Why is it that you can jumble up movies, but you don't see people whine about violent movies even close to as much as violent videogames?

I honestly don't know the actual answer to that, but if someone could figure that out, then I think we'd figure out how to keep people from buying games too mature for them.

I don't think that there is a problem with Splatterhouse being snuggled up with other titles. At least over here the ratings are enforced and the kid can't buy a M rated game unless a parent comes in and does it, if that happens then it is the fault of the parent and not of the game seller or developer.

A problem I see is that games are a relatively new invention in comparative to music and writing which was around for thousands of years and thus we still have people who never have played a game and are quick to judge that games are negative. Although one thing that I fear is that games will be using the artistic license to make a shoddy product like it has happened before in writing and music. I also don't think that people consider music of the now as art as well, tell people if they think Lady gaga, Ke$ha or the Black Eyed Peas are worthy of indepth analysis and artistic dissection, give it several years before we shall see scholars dissecting My Humps and Tik Tok. Basically if it is happening now then it isn't artistic but give it time and then we shall gain a whole new appeal to them.

The problem with diving things by genre is that you can only have so much space dedicated. You say that dividing by console isn't good yet why would I care about buying games for a console that I do not have? You'd have to basically subdivide the genre into its console components and that gets even more complicated when there are very wide. Also I feel it is the consumer's responsabiity for doing some research before going over to buy the product, It could work if you are only renting but most people do research when actually buying games and thus they should already know what they are looking.

A problem with adding mature and adult content in the games is that we can't take it seriously at all. Look at the Witcher 2 and all you see from reviews is how it is easy to get wank material in addition to being a good game with frustrating interface issues. I can't see us as a society taking a good look at adult situations without someone rubbing one off and sneering.Of course the same can be said in any sort of media, put a sex scene in a movie and it is just for the tittilation, same can be said for comics as well.

I see where your coming from. I still thing people should have the right to make, sell, and buy things like sex games, hentai, and porno if they're of legal age. To be able to do that takes deviding games by rating.

You wont find 'My ass is haunted' next to Tellitubies in a movie store, but you can get your hands on either if you go to one. I just think the same rule should apply to games stores.

I think some of the trouble arises from how some games can completely defy genre. There are plenty of straightforward ones, like FPSs and fantasy RPGs, but there are also games like Assassin's Creed, which is an action/sci-fi/thriller/historical mash-up. There's also the same thing you get in the movie industry, with the developers trying to get as big an audience/player base as possible by making the game contain fewer mature themes; the Michael Bay effect, if you will. XD It's assumed that people will like flash more than substance, and the story (maybe the gameplay, too) usually suffers for it.

Hmm.. i guess you have a point with that one. It would be a little harder to split tittles by content thanks to odd ones. But i think a majority of games in stores fall under set tropes. Plus, you get things like the 'alternative' genre for music, which is pretty much 'misc' as far as anyone can tell.

With some thought you could categorize things for people, but most of all im just talking about dividing things by rating in the way one might in a video store.

That's definitely sensible. I mean, if you're trying to keep younger kids from getting their hands on the more violent or disturbing stuff, putting them in rating categories is just good sense.

While M rated games should indeed be separated, I don't think there's enough outside of a store like Gamestop, to have designated "Sports" sections, or "RPG" sections. At least when I go to Best Buy, or Target, there aren't.
I do have to admit, such a set-up would indeed make it more difficult for me to find and perchase games that interest me. But then, I'm also not a gamer.

As for Comics, my comic store puts *everything* together in alphabitical order. THIS, I would dearly love to have some better system of seperation. Missing the latest Wonder Woman trade because it's surrounded by months old copies of all the various X-Men titles is annoying.

Lack of sorting kind of bothers me about manga the most. You get things like astro boy being squished next to akira and battle club, all clearly. Movies have shown you dont need that many genres beyond kids, adult, sport, fantasy, scifi, romance, action and non fiction. Its worked for movies and books for years, and there are far more movies and books then there are manga and it works alright for them.

I don´t go to games selling shop (no money), but I go to a comic book store, one of the few all over the country (there are like 4 or 5, most of which are bookshops that got comics too now), and it´s run by 2 comics/manga lovers, and it´s really well organized. In the first floor they have Marvel at one side and DC at the other, visual novels usually at the middle, and the comics in the shelves are organized by protagonists, so you have: Superman, Superman and Batman, Batman, Robin, etc. and justice league above them. In the second floor there are the mangas and I don´t really remember how they orgaanize them, but seinen is at the top shelves.

TTwTT It sounds so beautiful~ Its too bad i dont speak good Spanish or i would move right now! Everything here is done by alphebetical order. Its fine if you already know what your looking for, but its a pain if your just browsing.

I would love to see games organized by rating first (like general/mature/adult) then console. That would show responsibility to policing kids away from Grand theft auto and Battle Club.

Plus, i dont like sorting through 'cars' and 'micky mouse club' to look for what i want either!

I agree with the splitting of genres. Back in the day when we actually had good RPGs from japan coming over here for PSX, I would dig through EB's bins and shelves looking for similar games to Breathe of Fire. If they were all together on a shelf, that would of made it much easier to find good games I missed out on.

Yeah! there was always so many games in the genra i liked best that kept slipping me by! If there was a section where i could see when a new JRPG came out in i might ever buy anything!

That and puzzle or adventure games. I think if you just sorted out the genras with a strong folowing like JRPG, FPS, and racing game and made kids game have their own section that would do the trick.

i'm bot for it and against it (maybe not against it but not all excited for it at least). it seems ridiculous to have something like horror games put behind a curtain like they were X-rated porn at a movie rental store. but i think doing this kind of action might open up the u.s. market to actually having a return of A-rated (adult 19 and older) games that have been banned from sales counters in the u.s. for probably around 20 years now. there are many games that had to be toned down in language or violence or simple removing one scene entirely so that a game could be rated as M and not A in the u.s. (and therefore make it to a shop where it could be sold). i hate the idea of artistic and creative freedom being stomped on by petty rules that were set up by biased propaganda that was pushed into u.s. congressional legislation by way of bribery and ultra religious/conservative motives (and maybe other motives). i would like to play uncensored games in the u.s. and even try a few of those dating simulators that aren't sold here because they might have nudity, sex, or even suggestive themes in them (suggestive themes really piss me off since it's a vague term and everything is essentially a suggestive theme).

i'm not sure how store shelves should be organized since something like that is up to the company (unless a law is passed that dictates to all retailers who to shelve their products (which seems unlikely given the extremely strong push against anything that might seem like socialism in the u.s.). an interesting outcome that could arise out of organizing games based on category (genre) and content (rating) could be that sales clerks and product consumers would notice what games are popular as i'd expect a shelf of shooters to be almost empty or have a crowd in front of it, while the shelves for RPG's or Platformers would be relatively untouched or mostly full. i know some stores would see this and eventually stop restocking those less popular genre and replace or downsize them with an expanded section of the hot selling genre. in that scenario, that categorical arrangement of games might be bad for the industry in the u.s.

Hmm.. thats a lot to think on but i can take most of that on. Further thought has helped me understand the sort of methods i would want to use if i was organising my own game shop.

I wouldn't think of it as organizing things by genre, but for any genre that had a following (JRPG, FPS, Racing, puzzle, sports ect) I would want them to have a shelf of their own. Then Id make sure that shelf always had classic tittles best sellers and something new or recommended.

Games distinctly for kids would be at the front of the store, and i would have a section for A games at the back like one might in a movie rental shop. For the horror games that wanted to be A rated, they would have the option to be so and be on the market.

Where i live games are INSANELY expensive, and what is imported always gets reduced to kiddy games, franchise games, and remakes. Most of which end up in the bargain bins cause its not what people buy. Its so hard to know what is at the store or not that ive lost almost all interest in going to games stores all together.

When i walk in to almost any store i see other people running across the same kind of problem. It just seems an obvious next step to me due to the sheer number of games available.

what country are you in? you obviously aren't in the u.s. i'm guessing brazil since i hear they have a high price on their games due to a tax or two. if you're not in the u.s. that would explain why you see so many kid games next to mature as you seem to have a different way of organizing games in stores in your country. there is only one real game retail store in the u.s. (GameStop) and they separate games by system, and then alphabetically in each system's section. by separating each game by system they pretty much eliminate the risk of a kids game being next to a very mature game. there isn't a wide selection of games in most GameStop stores (in my opinion), and may be best described as a lack of variety instead of lack of selection. most of what you see if stuff rated Teen or Mature unless you are shopping for a Nintendo game. then you'll find mostly Everyone and Teen rated (with most of them being rated Everyone). it's like rated games are separated by system. i know if i looked at the selections for the XBox360, i'd find mostly M rated shooters and a few Teen or Mature rated RPG's (same for Playstation but with more RPG's and less Shooters). but nintendo is all family friendly so the worst you'd find is Metroid Prime 3 or one other shooter for the Wii that i can't remember the name of but is rated M (seems to be more of a weak M rating since there is barely any gore in it compared to shooters like Halo or Metal of Honor).

Very agreed - also one Civic Video up here in Auckland actually has divided all the games up to different genres (fantasy/racing etc.) and it really helped to find the games I wanted. Also all the horror ones were in back corner - away from the labeled 'kids' games. I think it's cause the store owner is a gamer nut so has some understanding that games are not all classed as games. However - same store - Anime is just broadly places as 'Anime' with horrible blood splatters right next to magical schoolgirls (if they both start with R - alphabetical order). So we'll see~. I think games are definitely art - and here is an article that agrees: http://www.cracked.com/blog/defending-the-habit-10-video-games-as-modern-art/,I hope you enjoy ^w^. ~

lemme try that link again: http://www.cracked.com/blog/defendi.....as-modern-art/

Oh thank god! Its just too good to do things that way. I mean, the boxes already mark out what console something is for. Even if it is still devided by console, you can still group them with fellow games, and THEN alphabetically organise them >W<!
Thanks for the link!

you are welcome :D ~

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I totaly agree with that fact that games/mangas ect. should be have there seperated spots :3

1. it´s easier for us to find our beloved genres/rated stuff

and

2. normal innocent shilds and protective mothers can controll it even much better what games there children see, buy and play =3

I love video games being protected now!! ^_^