*DERP* must have deleted that when I was editing, now I added the reason on the journal, thanks for pointing that out dude, *huggles ya*

I'm starting to, so yes. :3

With school, trip plans, in need of a motorcycle license, I'm and will be getting out of the house more!. =D

Or a car licence which ever is most conviniant to me. XP

I had a iPad(1). Now using a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7. They are both really awesome fast and got flash

Thanks dude, the more info the better, =D

The 10.1 i use for classes but for my taste it was a bit to heavy and to big to carry it around all the time, so i got myself a 7.7 for me its the purrfect size to surf and watch movies. I got the 16gb model and added a 32gb sd card and to add files on it you dont need crap like itunes you plug it in and add files as u would do to a USB stick

I shall check that model out, thanks for the info dude, =D

both 10.1 and 7.7 are pretty expensive though, especially the 7.7 since it utilizes a SuperAMOLED HD screen. and both has a price tag of about $500 and this guy's finding just $200. you must have a lot of money in your hands having both.

the 10.1 at 500$ lol that was a few months ago. now the Galaxy Tab 10.1 16Gb WiFi is in Stores for 299Chf wich is about the same in $. The Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 is in stores for 389Chf. The 7.7 is more expensive yes but the Amoled display and the 1.4ghz CPU are worth. for 200$ you get just a crappy single core tablet with low resolution screen, crappy battery and Android 2.2 on it. And if you can manage your money and have time to wait a bit you can also buy the more expensive one cuz i dont have a lot of money since im in education again. or would you say 1291$ is a lot per month? lol my parents appartment costs already 1800 per month XD

hm, you do have a point there. and that rent is really painful! D:

well the fact is the first generation of the 10.1 is on sale since the galaxy tab 2 10.1 came out

of course, make way for the new, as i noticed when Samsung made price drops on all their models. when the new iPad came out, Apple decided to drop the iPad 2 $100 lower, which is nice as well. now i hope HTC does the same with their tablets.

If you are willing to wait for later in the year there is going to be a large ammount of new Windows 8 tablets coming out when it releases sometime in the fall most likely. Dunno about the price point on those though. Since none have been released yet or even announced really it's a wait and see situation at the moment.

Considering Windows 8 on tablets will NOT run traditional apps and only Metro UI apps, this is a bad thing to wait for unless you like using IE.

fancy apps where called Applications a few years ago. Windows 8 will be far superior than iOS and Android.

I've been testing Windows 8 since the Developer Preview. I doubt it'll be superior to anything, to be completely honest.

They're floundering in mobile sales and want to compete with iOS and Android so they forced Metro UI on EVERYONE. Using a desktop? Too bad, learn to use a mobile interface with your mouse/keyboard. Using a laptop? Have fun trying to navigate the touch-based interface with your keyboard and touchpad.

The only place where Windows 8 actually works is a tablet and Microsoft has screwed themselves over with Windows RT (Windows 8 on ARM processors). You will not be able to run ANY desktop apps except for IE and Office. You will not be able to get a Metro version of Firefox, Chrome, Safari, or even Opera because Microsoft refuses to give the code to create browsers in Metro.

Also, it'll be VERY slow. The fastest ARM chips around are about the speed of a mid-range first generation Core 2 Duo, but with the power consumption of a modern x86 processor. So add the overhead of emulation needed and you'd have much slower performance for the same power usage as a laptop i5 or i7.

This all leaves them with only one version of Windows 8 on tablets (which is called "Windows 8").

Windows 8 on tablets will run your desktop apps...but have fun trying to interact with them. Ever tried to use Firefox or Chrome on a touch-based monitor? I have. It sucks. You also still have the problem of switching from a legacy desktop mode and Metro UI which has been handled poorly and is quite jarring. So far, reviews of Windows 8 are meh to "what the fuck?" simply because of that jarring aspect on desktops and laptops. Not to mention, we need to wait and see if companies will put up with all the flip back and forth between UI nonsense and if they'll adopt Windows 8 like they did 7. Most likely not.

This is all neither here nor there though because  Wild-Dude wants an Android tablet, not an iOS or Windows one. Windows 8 won't release until around late 2012/early 2013. If you're always waiting for the next "cutting-edge" device, you'll never get anything and never be satisfied if you ever do.

lolololol flame is going on XD like the holy wars on newspaper sites.

First there will be 2 versions of Windows 8. A Desktop Version wich is built for x86 CPU's never would run smoth on a ARM CPU.
Just because both are called Windows 8 doesent mean its the same OS. Like iOS and MacOS both unix based but fully diffrent in need of rescoures.

You will be able to run Metro Apps on your PC/Laptop and on your Mobile Device. But you wont be able to Run Regular Desktop Applications on your Mobile Device. If not the first thing i would install on a windows 8 tablet was AutoCAD and work with that at work...........

What Windows 8 will do on PC's will be the developers of Applications will make theyr Programms being controllable by Touch input. Im sure there will come way more Computers with all in one and touch or simply monitors will have a touch sensitive display. Laptops will get touch displays aswell. but still it wont be the same as on a tablet.

And lol i wasnt the one who said wait on the next big thing otherwise i wouldnt have bought an i5 2500k and a geforce 560ti in january lol.

All i said was App is just a fucking fancy word for Application lol calm down

There is no "holy war". You claimed Windows 8 will be the best and I'm simply giving you facts as to why it probably won't.

You also pretty much just repeated back to me what I just said so.....okay.

Anyway, this doesn't really matter. :|

I don't like Windows 8 very much, but I do wonder have you used it and what is your honest opinion on it?

As long i can turn off Metro UI im happy with it. otherwise i stay with win7.

but i definitly will buy an windows 8 tablet. maybe a phone too.

That's the problem though...you can't turn it off. Microsoft posted in their blog that you are not able to turn it off as it's built into Windows' core code.

Honestly, for me, it's not as bad as in the Developer Preview or even the Consumer Preview...but it's still sort of jarring to switch between Metro and legacy desktop. I may go with a tablet if they allow Mozilla and Google to make Metro browsers...but if not, there's no point and I'll just go with Android...or maybe even a Chromebook or something if I want to be REALLY new and "edgy".

you still can make a App launch automaticly when windows has been loaded ;)

Yeah, but the Metro screen has taken over for the Start menu. =/ I don't use the start menu much, but when I do...

It's faster compared to 7, it even starts faster...however it doesn't seem to actually shut down if you leave the FastBoot on. My laptop docking fan kept going long after I hit "Shut Down". I had to turn that feature off. Still a fast boot though.

i guess you wont feel a huge diffrence in the boot process if youre using an SSD. My Alienware m11x with an i72nd gen CPU and 1.5ghz and a SATA3 SSD starts in 18sec. my pc i built in january and an i5 2500k with an SATA2 SSD starts in 30sec.

I'm still in HDD land. :V I want an SSD but they're too small for me right now. =/ I almost have a 1.5TB drive filled up and I have more drives to go.

well the SSD in my PC is 120Gb for my other stuff i have a 320gb 10´000rpm HDD and a 500gb 7´200rpm HDD. in my laptop i got an 240Gb SSD wich is more as enough. and i got a 2Tb nas for the rest

I have a 500GB with only Windows, a 650GB custom-built external for backups, a 1.5TB for my main files, and a 80GB...I'm not sure what I'll do with this. My laptop has a 240GB drive. All of these are HDD though,

Speaking of the 1.5TB, I need to clean it out...again. =\ It's almost full.

Well, you're going to be looking for an Android tablet.

The problem is, ALL of the $200 and below Android tablets pretty much suck...except for one (and yes, ONLY one).

First off, here are some specs on the top tablets:

APPLE:
The New iPad (iPad 3rd Generation)
iOS 5.1
9.7" 2048x1536 IPS "Retina Display"
1 GHz Apple A5X CPU
1 GB RAM
16 GB, 32 GB, and 64 GB storage options
Wi-Fi and LTE connectivity options
GPS option
5 MP rear/0.3 MP front cameras

iPad 2
iOS 5.1
9.7" 1024x768 IPS display
1 GHz Apple A5 CPU
512 MB RAM
16 GB only
0.7 MP rear/0.3 MP front cameras
The 2,4 model (32nm die-shrink) has best in class battery life

ASUS
Transformer TF300
Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich"
10.1" 1280x800 IPS display
Tegra 3 quad core 1.3GHz CPU
1 GB RAM
16 GB ($379) and 32 GB ($399) storage options
Plastic body
GPS
8 MP rear/1.2 MP front cameras
Optional keyboard dock with integrated battery

Transformer Prime
Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich"
Super IPS+ 10.1" 1280x800 display
Tegra 3 quad core 1.4GHz CPU
1 GB RAM
32 GB and 64 GB storage options
Aluminum body
No GPS (requires a dongle)
8MP rear/1.2MP front cameras
Optional keyboard dock with integrated battery

The Prime has a few known issues. First off, the GPS is crappy. Like REALLY crappy. ASUS was forced to introduce a GPS dongle bar to make it work correctly. There have also been reports of bad Wi-Fi, broken charger adapters (as it in will just fall apart), bleeding of the backlight, and pitting on the metal backing. This is all because they rushed the Prime to market just to be the first Tegra 3 tablet. This caused lots of quality control issues.

Transformer
10.1" 1280x800 IPS
Android 4.0 "Ice Cream Sandwich"
NVIDIA Tegra 2 CPU
1GB RAM
16GB and 32GB storage options
1.2MP front/5.0MP rear Cameras
Optional keyboard dock with integrated battery

The Transformer isn't the BEST with Ice Cream Sandwich, but it's better than nothing. The Tegra 2 processor, however, will insure that a good bit of your movie files simply will NOT play. I would definitely avoid ANY Tegra 2 device if possible for this reason as it's not easily fixed with a software player such as MX Player, it's a hardware issue.

AMAZON
Kindle Fire
7" 1024x600 display
Android 2.3 "Gingerbread"
1 GHz dual-core TI CPU
512 MB RAM
8 GB storage

The Kindle Fire is Android only in spirit. You are not able to use ANY Google apps such as Maps, Gmail, YouTube, or the Google Play Store (previously the Android Market). Amazon has stripped away as much as they possibly could just to make it unique. This is because Android is open source and you're simply allowed to do that. There's nothing wrong with the Fire, just that you need to be aware of this.

A few warnings and notices:

Do NOT go with some crappy tablet from Coby or whatever. They're the absolute worst to go with. Do not get a tablet if it advertises Froyo aka Android 2.2, Gingerbread aka Android 2.3, or Honeycomb or Android 3.x. These are old operating systems and the Froyo and Gingerbread OSes aren't even meant for tablets in the first place. Honeycomb is a beta OS at best and has been replaced with Ice Cream Sandwich aka Android 4.x. $200 Android tablets are usually really bad cheap ones that WILL have something broken out of the box.

Samsung tablets are fine as well, I suppose. But Samsung is known for slow updates (if you receive any at all) and updates that WILL break something. If you go with a Samsung tablet, you will also have to contend with their TouchWiz UI and kernel changes. These changes tend to break things that work just fine otherwise.

There are a new crop of tablets slowly appearing with Tegra 3 or OMAP processors. The current rumor is that Google will announce a "Nexus tablet" of some sort at Google I/O 2012 on June 29th with availability being around mid-Summer or early Fall. This tablet will be made by ASUS and be about $200 to $250. It will be a 7" tablet and will hope to rival the Kindle Fire, which is currently the best tablet you can get for $200-$250. You can save your money and wait to see if this pans out.

Also, there's news (not an actual rumor) that Google will use the Google Play Store (http://play.google.com) to sell tablets and phones running Android 5.0 aka Jelly Bean. They will allow 5 manufacturers to create their own bare bones (no OEM UI or kernel screw ups like TouchWiz) device to sell on the site alongside the Galaxy Nexus. Since Google now owns Motorola, you can bet there will be a Jelly Bean Motorola tablet up there.

The Nexus tablet should launch sometime this summer / fall. If you want a GOOD sub $200 tablet, go for that. Otherwise, get a Kindle Fire.

The $200 Android tablet I was mentioning is the Kindle Fire. That's the only GOOD $200 Android tablet currently. Google wants to compete with that so I'd say just save your money and wait. Google I/O is right around the corner (June 29th).

Btw, some reports say that android 4.1 will be jellybean. it's kinda weird that they released ICS last october and suddenly release 5.0 shortly after but i hope they release the so called 4.1 soon.

It makes a bit of sense considering Froyo (2.2) was released just about 6 months after the release of Eclair (2.0 / 2.1).

scratch the sudden release of a new operating system part. the Google team can release as much as they want XD

but reports do say that 4.1 will be jellybean. let's see until they release it, shall we?

It'll be either 4.1 or 5.0. 4.1 makes more sense than 5.0 though. Something is coming with the release of the Nexus tablet though. Why release a new Google developer tablet with a 6 month OS if you're trying to compete with a $200 tablet that has been around longer than what you are putting out? They need to give it out with something new, ya know? Something to catch people's eye.

Well the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and 7.7 are awesome. The Transformer Prime FT201 is awesome too but expensive. What i can say since i had an iPad(1) they suck. Paid 1000chf (about 1000$ too) and as iOS5 was released it got super laggy and that was after 3/4 year. Same will happen to the iPad2 and the new one with ios 6 or 7. Had the same phenomen with my iPhone 3G.

Android is awesome but you need to invest a bit money into a good tablet and have to look it has minimum Honeycomb or ICS on it.

The Transformer Prime has FAR too many QC problems to be "awesome".

Also, you want a minimum of ICS on your Android tablets at best, NOT Honeycomb. Honeycomb is a crappy beta OS and everyone knows it. Even Google. Google didn't even release the source code of it because they knew it was unfinished.

Well as much as i know from my boss and a few of my friends the Prime works really well. The GPS maybe doesent work so well but anyway i have the GPS in my Galaxy Tab 10.1 and 7.7 always off.
To Honeycomb it works really fine to me. Of course i want ICS but i guess i have to wait until Samsung shows it. And well i still prefer the "Crappy" Honeycomb than iOS.

The Prime works...if you're lucky. ASUS rushed it to market just to be the first with a Tegra 3 and forgot to fix the issues. They also either:

A. Ran out of tablets to match demand for preorder.

Or

B. Falsely ran out just to make it seem harder to get.

No one truly knows what it is, but it's probably a mix of both.

Honeycomb is fine if it works for you, but you have a Samsung device so you'll be waiting a while for ICS, unfortunately. Samsung does not have the best track record (unless you have a Nexus device then it doesn't matter).

For your 10.1, you were supposed to get ICS "soon" back in March. For the 7.7, you'll get it Q2 2012. Q2 2012 began April 1, 2012 and will end on June 30, 2012...they have one month to push it out.

Also,  Wild-Dude, never buy an Android device for future upgrades unless it's a Nexus branded device (Nexus One, Nexus S, and Galaxy Nexus). These devices are updated direct from Google (unless you are on a CDMA carrier...then you're waiting for Sprint or Verizon) and WILL be updated at some point. With ANY other device, you're waiting on the creator of your phone and that can take months, years, or not at all.

then all the people i know with a Transformer Prime are lucky? well then CEO and whole lead of my company are very lucky... hmmm and 2 of my friends aswell. wow yay.

And you know. if i didnt like honeycomb i still could load a curstom rom on it but so far it still got enough preformance to do all what i want without any crashes or errors.
and yeah i readed those news articles back in march aswell im maybe from switzerland but im not living behind the moon.

Yeah, they're lucky. Some stores cancelled preorders just because the tablet was literally breaking and they refused to sell a broken product.

ASUS really screwed up the launch for the Prime but the TF300 is decent enough...hopefully the Nexus tablet is as well.

here in Switzerland, germany, austria none bugs or just broken devices have been reported in computer magazines or the digital news sections in the newspapers. all we heard here its the most powerfull and stable android tabled on market. they still call it the "iPad" killer but if Apple made the same mistakes as they did with the iPhone 3G iPad(1) the iPad2 and "the new iPad" will kill themself.......

Yeah, it's not really an iPad killer...maybe a Galaxy Tab or Xoom killer, I guess. :P

well i bought an iPad(1) 64Gb 3G for 995Chf (about the same in $) in December 2010 and as iOS5 was released in September or October it all started. Laggy Slow not anymore useable....... i had the same phenomenon with my iPhone 3G updating to iOS4. For me its clear that such a expensive device should run over a year smoth. Luckily i could sell the thing for near the price of my Galaxy Tab 10.1. I hope for all the iPad2 users they wont be screwed like i was with the first generation device....

=/ I don't like iOS 5. It didn't feel different from iOS 4 at all. I've got an iPod touch 4th generation but I've heard of slow downs on the first iPad.

i got an 4th gen ipod aswell running ios5 it runs smooth since it was shipped with ios5 XD. but the diffrence on the first gen iPad was really huge. just even opening settings to go in flight mode took up to 10 seconds. work on pdf´in classes got impossibile. i tried to downgrade it wich screwed up my USB drivers. luckily i still had an ps2 keyboard around. but still didnt want to try it again.

the interesting thing is it happend to my iPhone3G aswell and i think it will happen to future models aswell but slower since multitasking and dualcore technology are far superior.

Yah, iOS 5 is smooth on it, I just don't think it changed much. XD

The only device i can think of having a $200 price tag is the kindle fire. The amazon kindle fire is a 7 inch tablet but it can suffice your current needs. Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 and 10.1 is WAAAYY out of your budget. like i said, the superamoled screen of the 7.7 makes it expensive and both that and the 10.1 has a $500 price tag.

I also noticed that you don't need a camera on a tab so i suggest a kindle fire. :3

The problem with the Kindle Fire is that you have to be VERY into Amazon's ecosystem for the Fire to really give you a good value. You can't use SD cards, there's no volume control, and no Flash support.

If that's the case though we should suggest other $200 tablets or let him raise the price tag a little bit since $200 is kind of a small budget.

Yeah, I'd say wait for the Nexus tablet (Google will make SURE that it works right) or raise the budget a bit. $200 won't get you many good tablets. =\

For $200 I'd recommend either the Kindle Fire, the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0" or maybe an HP Touchpad - WebOS is pretty slick but you'd probably want to load Android on it.

I don't recommend anything WebOS since HP killed it. Stick with the Kindle Fire for a $200 tablet or wait to see what Google has coming in four weeks. If you don't know much about the command line or computers in general, then rooting is not to mess with.