Going to be interesting to say the least for the next 4 years. While Trump does not have any political skills under his belt, he is smart enough to surround himself with a staff that has the skills and chops to make up for that.

i hope so, republicans tend to be very anti littele guy and trump was rich from birth are my concerns.but his speech gave me a facet of hope, a 100% narcicisst i wouldn't imagine possibly saying "you'll be so proud of me" its hope maybe he was humbled and will actually try to do good for the country. it will be interesting.

i dont belivee he is the great evil people think and hillary has said outright facist things herself, so in the end, i think that trump will do like said, and surround himself with experts, and hopefully things wont be too much of a toss up :3

Dude.... Preach it. 👍

people still dont seem to understand bullying and racism is wrong, whether or not the recipient is white or not.

Well the issue between insult and debate - does debate actually work? I've never actually seen someone change their mind about anything.

For example Trump supporters were showing me youtube vlogs of people saying that these elections were rigged and that Hillary was going to win. Now they still maintain Hillary rigged the elections and still lost - somehow?

Instances like that of two-facedness kind of make people loose faith in civility just as a majority of the electoral collage (since Hillary did win the popular vote) seems to have lost faith in globalism and diversity.

you can change my opinion easily if you bring the proper points, im very open minded. i dont know everything and if im wrong, or your view makes more sense, i will adjust mine. its what any intellectually honest person does.

as for others, on the internet, rarely i don't believe many will ever change their opinion. that is because you can simply block, or look for confirmation bias and disregard a post by going elsewhere on the net. in person, yes, but throwing insults does even less. its not okay, it does the opposite. it cements them in their views, it solidifies a person, making it a you vs. them, it makes it spiteful and it makes the one chastising wrong. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw1v1GgUsAABvbk.jpg this summarizes perfectly. Martin Luthor King Jr was an idol of mine. i don't think i respect anyone more then i do him, but the narrative is lost. the paradigm has shifted and no one realizes racism is just plain wrong, no matter who is demonized.

yes, the main election i don't think could have been rigged, that is silly. but the mainstream was insanely pro-hillary, i don't consider it rigging but i do consider it propaganda in a sense so i can get where they are coming from. honestly, do you think they don't deserve a little joy?everyone has said if you support trump, no matter who you are, you are judged as a racist and sexist. why would it hurt so many of them, if it was true?racists love being racist, they wear it on their sleeves, look at a number black lives matter supporters, cross them with kkk. its the same rhetoric.

as for two faced factions, both sides are so equally guilty of this and i agree completely. its outrageous. its dishonest and it makes discourse impossible. but both sides have been lying or pushing idealogy so hard both are unclean. disregarding trumps skeletons in the closet as well as hillary's is just outlandish and foolish. but i don't believe anything he has said (outside the wall thing, that was...yeah) is anti-diversity(if he has, please source me, so i can get my thoughts on it, i am sure i there are things i haven't heard) but globalism, yes that is bad. is about people who don't know what the rest of us go through, dictating how we live. a tiny cabal of elites running the whole world?can you imagine that kind of power, the kind of corruption that could spawn? the EU was a fine example and its in trouble, so much so Britain left.

the only culture people have an issue afaik with is the fundamentalist islam, but that probable could be solved by encouraging integration, though i'm no aspect there i imagine, its a pretty bad culture, but the people aren't innately bad, its the idealogy that makes them have these reprehensible views and behaviors., but its not incapable of being made less barbaric, look at christianity

the electoral college is a joke, i will agree immediatly. i don't like hillary, but if she has the popular vote then she should have won. that is pure democracy, the convoluted electoral college should not sway election. i mean if we selected party front runners on popularity, bernie would be president right now. if only...

TL:DR

insulting people does nothing, always argue your point, it always has a chance of working, insults dont and it makes you look bad

the mainstream media is responisble for that, and trump being, well, trump.

the electoral college is a joke, , globalism imo is horrible, but not multiculturalism, i think the only issue is fundamental islam, but that can be reformed like christianity. the people aren't bad people innately, the idealogy is whats making them do it.

sorry for the ramble

Its okay. Long FA posts take a while to read because of how it formats things.

Also for the purposes of this I'm going to assume you will listen. So no hidden jokes or bouts of sarcasm.


I'm not really sure how to respond to your first paragraph as I'm not sure if you are saying Trump is a result of tumblr or if you are saying that you are disappointed in the pbs thing.


Propaganda, I'm sure Trump would never stoop as low as that. He definitely wouldn't create some false fear and use it to sway swing-voters. And no institution would - at the last minute - decide to go on a witch hunt that has already been gone on only to find nothing once more.

And I think the main reason it 'hurts' them is because a lot of people view it as 'just the way things should be' instead of racism. I'm sure there are KKK members that feel that way. They use different words to describe it, its how the authoritarian right is. Same with sexism. You can't honestly say a lot of Trump's rhetoric hasn't been racist and sexist...and if you do, you are only proving my point that debate doesn't work. Saying that Mexicans are all rapists IS racist. It is claiming that a generalization about a people is true for all those people. Calling someone x name because they are x race is racist, because its a thing based on their race and not merit. Do you see how this works? Even the meme you provided is pretty open about it - claiming that now people are going against the culture of whatever PC is. PC in my experience is mostly a manufactured thing, but some of the reason points are civility in diversity. It isn't about censoring, its about making sure people are not judged or attacked based on race but by actions.

Alright here you go:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin.....9eb_story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/u.....ck-voters.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry.....b065e2e3d47e82

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/polit.....ion/index.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics.....grants/419298/

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-me.....el-laws-219866

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/med.....aws/index.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/.....cted/81042044/

http://www.businessinsider.com/dona.....e-media-2016-2


I don't think you have the full picture on globalism. Globalism is mostly about trade and cooperation between nations. Its one of the main reasons we live in a world that is as free of war as its ever been and why a lot of the things you enjoy are so cheap. A while back they found out something called comparative advantage and since then its bloomed. Not to mention several thousands of jobs rely on globalism. Protectionism on the other hand is a more Authoritarian take on trade and internationalism, it doesn't get rid of an elite but merely emboldens the local elite. Tariff barriers would virtually destroy this nation and the few jobs that were created would not pay well - hence why now most of those that exist are done by cheap labor from undocumented immigrants who lost work or wealth in their country due to the drug lords that were empowered by the drug war that the USA started. The butterfly effect and the perfect reason why its good to think before leaping.


Well its not just fundamentalist, its everything different from them. And this move will only empower that section. Muslims, Black Americans, LGBTQ community, all of that. Anything that is different threatens the idea of a pure culture. Also what does integration entail? When does conformity spill into infringing on personal liberties?

The Electoral collage is only a joke in the states that don't operate under a PR system - which is most of them. The fundamental flaws with American democracy will not be solved as the required set of events that would be needed to change them are mind-boggling at best.


Also if you really hate the elite, why don't you support something like Syndicalism?

to simplify it to tumblr or PBS is absolutely a joke. are you joking? the movement is spreading fast among self hating americans and millenials. its society's infantilization, combined with the constant shame tactics and safe space mindsets created in our younger generation who cant take a boo boo on their fee fees. combined with a vastly corrupt political system that has become so unconcerned and removed from the public. that i s what created trump, people are miserable, and now the youth has told them they should hate themselves. trump is the figurative bomb to blast the system. people with no money, no future and no hope, wanting a better way. do i believe it, no, but i understand. so, basically, yes, tumblr and PBS are examples of what caused it.

yes trump rambled about conspiracy and whatnot, but he didn't have every mainstream outlet agaisnt him, and proven to be in hillary's pocket. but im sure twitter and speeches are on the same level of political propaganda to every mainstream outlet against you. all politics have a level of this, but hillary had everyone that mattered on her side. not to mention hilary wouldnt constantly imply support for bernie was sexism, would she?never. wait.


and what exactly is it the way people think things should be, hmmmm?what is this "abstract racism" that people have?what is it?do people naturally assume that minorities are inferior?is that what your trying to infer. this hasnt been said by the masses, or trump. sexism, in trumps rhetoric?because he said a woman was, what, eating like a pig or something?so your saying insulting a person who happens to be a woman is sexism?does a woman insulting a man count as sexism. "grab em by the pussy?"almost got em...except you didnt. key word in that is"they let you" i just kiss on them, sometimes i dont even wait?some dumbass guy banter. i would think that pretty off, if he did it when the woman walked up. watch the whole video, he becomes meek as a sheep the moment she arrives. its jsut posturing. is it in poor taste, for sure. can you argue sexist, off of jsut those...its a hard case. its certainly behavior i wouldnt follow. but your point on debate is an empty one as your making it seem to me anyone who disagrees with points of their own and doesnt fall over and agree deserve to be insulted. debate is back and forth not you say something and win.

did you just blanket judge anyone whos right wing as a racist?so your assumption is that any right winger is racist?and many of them are white, so its easy for you to generalize them?strange vibes from this one. but what words do they use to describe their racism, if it exists? he didn't say all mexicans were rapist, he was talking about people that came over the mexican boarder. he said along them, they are, he assumes some are good people, but some of those being sent were not the best people. i'm sure this is possible, and though i'm not informed enough to fully speak form opposition of authority, he never said all mexicans. or even most. he was speaking of the ones sent.. if he said all, racist. if hes targeting a demographic, like immigrants sent over, maybe there is statistical data to support it or not. but he didn't say all mexicans, so it isn't racism. is it correct, or accurate, i dont know, its probably not cause its trump, but still, it isnt out of racism. once again the word is being applied incorrectly. do you see how it works when you say all white people are inherently racist, and since caucasion, or european descendents are a race, that it is racism? trumps comments are usually dumb or poorly worded, but not with inherent venom, i think many are looking to find something that they want to be there.

your obviously in support of pc culture and that is fine, i don't, so ill argue the points to the best of my ability, from my opinion. its to prevent people from being attacked on racial grounds?we have laws agaisnt that, hate crime laws. but they dont work universally, how about the mlwaukee race riots("they white beat their asses!")?the problem with this theory is its one sided. PC culture finds it under every rock, in every voice inflection, every stare and glance and posture, as long as the person doing it isnt a minority. people go all over and see different people most of the time, but this term simply means make a big deal at how different people are.example look, hes black everyone, look how black he is, treat him differently. make sure you dont treat him the same as everyone else, cause hes a minority. if you cant see how racist that is i have no further word on it.forcing everyone to treat people special cause of differences is an act of racism. thats what PC culture is doing. everyone who's different has to be put over the norm, the majority abandoned for the minority. white people need to listen to people of color and not question or they are triggering them, being racist, as white privilged individuals?that is not civility in diversity, that's telling white people that they are inferior by being superior. how is that not entirely racist to minorities?its doublethink, pc culture is in fact the racists culture. the way people think it should be, is what your trying to say but your going about it in reverse, with PC culture. tell me how is this civility in diversity?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE_ZFVUuL-o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJSeeyqL_Fc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYeYRwZXV-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhN8upjQEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dnEqjyy61k
why arent you decrying this on both sides.these are examples of racism on the other side, 2 of the gentlemen pointing it out are black gentlemen, how i respect and see as far more intelligent then. but that is the issue from what i can tell, in short civility in diversity is about making white people feel bad about being white, since they cant even speak to a minority without having to be moderated, which is not even nearly needed, and putting minorities as weak or needing or special care, when its clearly not the case and minorities are just human beings with different skin colors. i, but the cult of diversity would have one believe i am naturally racist and look down on them you already admitted it in the first comment of your paragraph. you think the majority is just a bunch of subconcious, if not open out racists. but i could be wrong, this is my opinion.

finally, its all about censorship. you are censoring opinions, because you dont like em. if someone is a racist i want them to say it so i know who the fuck to avoid. but i dont want the term made meaningless as pc culture is. pc culture is about censorship in every facet. best example is the law students who didnt want to hear the word violate since it triggered them. or learn about rape laws. or hear crime statistics. or certainw ords or thoughts in music, if it relates to anything they arent comfortable with usually centric on race and gender. its identity politcs and a waste of time, and purely a censorship movement, imo.


as for your articles many of them projected hillary in the 98% area to win. so i will take them with copious amounts of salt as i summarize my opions of each
1#opinion. do not send me opinion pieces they are subjective and hold no actual inbiased, close to factual evidence, outside of quotes that could be taken out of context.
2#whats that hillary?the blacks are super predators?
3#this is in relation to the refugee crisis. until we, as he said, know whats going on, he suggested this. it isn't the answer and i doubt itll happen, but look at Europe you call it racism, but your entirely wrong. its not "cause they are brown" its because some of them, the number large enough to cause things like the new years eve cologne attacks, believe in a culture that doesn't work with our cultures. its not their skin, its their ideas. islam is a religion, not a race. patently obsurd to conflate race and religion, jesus.
4#is it slander, like the mainstream has cast on people, like trump? if so, yes , the media should be suable for slander, otherwise no. opening up libel laws i think could be a bad idea, but again context matters.

the others are broken links. on a copy on libel.

imo, globalism is perfectly summarized by the EU . look at the brexit arguments for stay. not one was about how great the EU is and how it has a bright future. people within the EU see its falling apart, its collapsing. globalism is the same thing. total protectionism isnt the answer but globalism is doomed to failure.

again you accuse americanculture as being threatened by diversity in a country that elected a black president, a huge number of whites voted for him, so that theory is a failure. quite telling how you frame things, its a bit concerning. and is known as the melting pot. im not going over it again, this is patently, and factually wrong. lgbt, black americans, mexican americans, muslims, they arent hated by a "white culture",(what even is white culture?) and you cannot prove otherwise for reasons mentioned. america is made, founded, and prided on diversity, to say this is obsurd. if america wanted a pure culture it failed at its outset.this is such an outrageously stupid thing to say, what makes you even think this is close to being true?this i son par with white supremacists thinking the jewish are responsible for everything.(look up white supremacist groups and their numbers. pretty low, i am sure)



im not a socialist is the issue, i dont belivee people who spend their lives in a ofty mansion while workers work like slaves should be able to pay them pennies, but i dont think the workers should own it all either. capitalism, democracy, and socialsim can be blended, but any one purely with no regulations probably wont do well. we know communsim and socialism on its own fail.
now i see your point. debate from your end because i dont think you want a debate. you want to show how outraged you are and everyone to fall in line. trump is an idiot, hes said idiot things, but not all of it is rmeotely as simple as you and most claim.

Self hating Americans? What happened to no insults? That entire paragraph was nothing but hot words joined together. This is why civility can't be a thing. If you would like to revise your statement to perhaps follow your own rules I'd be willing to continue.

how is self hating an insult?its a descriptor.especially to you?i didnt say you were self hating. i am explaining it as i see it, and i see many americans on the left as self hating, which is just so wrong. i was nothing but civil, i didnt attack you at all. this sounds like an excuse to not respond...

There were other insults in there. If you cannot follow your own rules you lay out for debate then how are you going to try to convince me that spending time thinking out a response to all of what you said is something I should do?

Calling a movement you don't support infantalization of society, and claiming that people are self-hating because they are not whatever you think they are not is not appropriate no matter the orwellian twist you put on it. Its no excuse, but I'm not going to be quite when you violate rules you expect me to follow. I really don't like arbitrarily enforced rules!

this is PC culture right here. you dont like what i said, so your trying to deflect the arguement, and focus on non unsults to redefine them. address it.you were not insulted, not once. you dont like my definitions but you cannot refute them, so you call them insulting. i'm claiming people are self hating, because they arent what i think? you think people are because of what you think, silly statement. this is an admission that you cannot defend your stance and are instead trying to deflect. ill get into orwellian once you address the points.

fun fact i never set rules. so not only did i not insult you i didnt break rules. your reaching hard for a lifeline.

Okay, fine. What makes them self hating?

And I can defend any stance I have, try me.

this is not the arguement, address the first one and i can explain self hating. but your still trying to deflect form the original conversation.

So that I'm not accused of having star trek deflection technology

- You said you would explain this later so I'll leave it for now. I hope that is okay? I don't want to address something without you explaining it as that would be unfair to you. Okay?

Trump got a lot of free air time and had a lot of people on his side - including media outlets that were mainstream. Many alt-right news networks were fully in support of him from the start. And yes, a political elite is naturally going to have politicians backing them and a set network just as Trump would if he were trying to do something in the business world. It isn't like Trump did it all on his own with nothing, he wouldn't have won if no one was supporting him.

Also one of the big reasons a lot of people came out against him is the anti-globalism thing and the fact that he was associating himself with racist movements. Its generally bad for business to openly be racist.

And you are going to talk about propaganda, but then ignore the Trump fear-mongering? Clinton did it too, yeah, doesn't make it right. Especially when the fear mongering is 'The system is literally out to get us'.

What? I don't decide what people think. I never said the words abstract racism, never even said abstract - this isn't art its politics.

But no, racism isn't inherit, its taught and enforced. In order to have racism you have to have some idea of race first and foremost. Now it can't be completely eliminated, but I mean an idea idea - like 'we are the white race' or 'we are the black race'. Its a group mentality rather than a adjective. An ideology of race so to speak. And enforcement as in a strong government that promotes this idea. Racism comes from the belief, the ideology, that your race is superior to another because of qualities that are inherit to either your race or the other person's race. Some belief that genetics determine social standing and predispose everyone in a certain ethnic group to act or think a certain way under most or all circumstances. Basically race and culture also become intertwined. The culture is a result of the race, and the culture is often stereotyped - such as jews being accused of owning everything or mulsims being accused of having a primitive culture of barbarity.

Make sense? I hope I'm explaining it well as its a complex issue and this requires a lot more scrolling than it should.

Sexism is similar. An ideology of sex. Women are x way because of their womaness, or men are x way because of their manness. Sexism would be the belief that one sex is inferior or superior to another because of its inherit qualities. Like saying women are more level-headed or men are more intelligent. Generally like racism its only an issue when it becomes more extreme and is supported by an institution or community.

No? The Alt right is racist though as its one of their founding principles. There is a huge spectrum and race generally only plays a role on the far far right or the more authoritarian side of both (See the Soviet Union where Russians were clearly dominating most structures though the racism there is mostly one of prefer rather than something akin to Nazi Germany or Italy [Russians were 'prefered' and non-Russians were Russianized]. Its hard to have a strong powerful government while eliminating the issue as government already creates a divide on its own and race offers an opportunity to make power plays).

I think with that out of the way I can move to the next part. Let me know if I accidentally glanced over anything. You basically just were accusing me of racism, right?


Well it depends on who is defining what pc culture is. Sometimes I'm not pc, sometimes I am. I don't use the term myself as it doesn't hold much meaning to me. If I can be both at the same time with the same statement then it isn't a word I want to use or have used. Some people would say me saying Black Americans instead of African Americans is not correct, some would say the opposite. Its very confusing.

And I do attack both sides, but the problem is everyone wants to use confusing labels and terms that make it very hard. Feminist has become a slurr, sjw means nothing anymore, etc. The other part is that everyone seems to ignore the other side's actions. For example why don't you often decry the attacks on minorities or instances of racial discrimination?

And you are wrong, I didn't say every white male was racist. We've cleared that up too now - it also builds on what I said previously about racism, it isn't inherit.

I am not censoring anyone, I don't have or want that power.

I sent you multiple things specifically to avoid this, it seems I failed. Also yeah, some of the links might be broken, I said FA was weird with formatting, see if there are any breaks in them.

Yes, lets look at Brexit, the economy tanked, they are thinking about ignoring the vote, and the alt-right leaders immediately went back on their promises.

Diversity isn't threatening American culture, American culture is the most diverse culture on the planet. We are probably the only nation to have a background of people like we do. Diversity is part of what the United States is - different opinions and beliefs coming together to work towards a common goal of making this nation even better. I never mentioned a white culture. :3 Please stop putting words in my mouth, you've been doing that your whole comment, its a bit insulting. They are not threatened by a white culture, they are threatened by fairly very conservative elements that want to control how people act and think. People that want to ban gay marriage or that want to ignore the issues that plaque minorities in certain areas of the country.

That isn't what socialism is. And syndicalism isn't socialism. I said Syndicalism, please stop putting words in my mouth and please look up things before commenting on them.

okay ill respond best i can, if i misinterpret your opinions on certain things, please disregard them. im no debate master, so i infer from writing best i can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism i did. its socialism in form, and it doesnt inherently imply purely a meritacratic system.

i misread it, this actually sounds much alot like what i believe is the right way to do things, very interesting.

trumps airtime was mostly due to them attacking him, thinking it would ruin him to show more trump, him making a fool of himself. but him being literally not a politician, that ended up making him an ideal"message" for the masses to the complacent washington elites i do believe he should have openly swore off david duke and any affiliates that are openely racist. even though i believe he is using them for his own ends, i would never want that kind of support

trump may have played it up, but i do genuinely believe the system was very pro hillary, even republicans were going for hillary. the system being rigged, well, we know how it wokred out for bernie, but for the general...again,we know how it went. both sides did wrong, but if anything, it is good int he sense it will embolden people to vote and realise we dont have to have trumps or hillary's as candidates.

no need to explain racism or the concept of race to me, i understand this quite clearly.your racism definition based on superiority, thats true, but you havent explained how its taught and enforced as a system in the US, how its explicit one way but not the other, how its systemic, if you believe that. if not, then i retract that. its true that it has to be enforced, and that it comes from a racial identity that exists since we have diffrences visually, and thus creates a identifying trait we group up into, but im unsure if i can call it inherently racist, since all races do it, especially when a minority. its nature, self preservation if we lived int he wild, but society has moved on...so im unsure how to approach it since it isnt about racial superiority in this case.. my personal belief is people are taught, of course. but on point, this shows that racism exists on both sides, and quite possibly in equal amounts. so how is it fair to judge one and absolve the other. racism is bad in all forms, is the mentality we should have, but i am sure you have seen all the far left saying literally minorities and woman cant be racist/sexist, because of silly oppression charts. that is pure madness (im not saying you believe this unless you say you do, just a point on it)

again sexism i understand by action and defintion. but the issue is, again, how is it systemic(if you belive it isnt, then disregard)?look at college degree and enrollment, overwhelmingly women. this is not the sign of sexism if woman are getting degrees more then men. the pay gap myth?its proven that same job, same pay. woman tend to prefer jobs that arent all consuming since many woman choose family life. but this isnt a systemic, its woman making their life choices to be happy. if a woman wants a career, she damn well has every right to pursue it, and noone can say otherwise. that is equality, so sexism as a concept really isnt a major issue and like racism, until late, was more of a situation to situation, not a epidemic.

yes, and no. i implied it, based on what i was inferring from the writing.. i was stating you clearly felt white people were by and large racist by inherited culture."they think its just the way things are" which i said was patently false. comparing russia and the soviet union/germany and nazi germany is preposterous, we arent a facist state yet. though i may have presupposed a bit, but of course its harder to infer with writing. your use of talking points and specifiying that you felt many people in america felt that it"was just the way things were" sounded an awful lot like you were implying a massive swathe of racist popualce in america. specifying and being clear helps.



yes i said that about diversity, but i truly dont think conservatives are going to change that. they are still very much a dwindling demographic, to be sure. like i said, i think much fo this votes was a message more then conservatives being on the rise. both sides are threatening to control thought and act but that threat is greater on the left is the issue. the only reason i take umbridge is i am more leftist then anything. pc culture, the"cant say a mean word thing" and disagreeing, etc, that is what i refer to when i say PC culture, im not saying it as in"they say i cant say racist words everywhere!!! and attack people for being x) just to clarify my PC culture def.

and as for self hating. my definition on that, si in the last 20 or so years, we get alot of hatred for people not responsible for things, taking guilt and blame. slavery, the jim crow era, all bad things. like is aid, one of my icons, maybe the one i respect most, was Martin Luthor King Jr. i grew up and still idolize that man, my greatest regret in life is i never could meet him. but so many people ont he left now think they are directly responsible for slavery, and worse, that they are subconsiously racist. so they invent these insane beliefs, like white privelege, systemic racism and attack anyone who doesnt agree as a racist. hey take it as inherent sin and some students dont even believe that slavery is as old as human beings, and america was one of the first to abolish it. slavery was bad, but there is no original sin, but so many on the left growing up believe this. this is what i mean. and by infantilising i mean editing and hiding negative things int he world form people so they cant handle the emotional toll of when bad things happen. censoring what makes one uncomfortable, its an extremely popualr idea and practice. its not insulting, but its dangerous ot people emotionally.

Its a fairly obscure ideology, one of the first libertarian ones there was in the modern era.

Well Bernie used the S word, American politics don't really like that very much. Its become a very naughty word to use and call yourself. Though he was a protectionist too. Too far right or left and people drop you on your ass. Too far south towards libertarianism and they fire you into the sun - I have to assume that is why I'm the only one in the USA.

Mostly by tradition, not so much schools. I mean they don't literally teach people to be racist. Its mostly enforced by communities such as family and neighbors and all that jazz. Stereotypes and generalizations also play a role. A mugging happens and it was a white man attacking black women and suddenly you have a neighborhood that slowly becomes fearful of anyone with pasty skin walking after dark and then that gets reinforced. It also emboldens them when politicians either ignore when it happens or encourage it (which is rare now-a-days). People might also see difference as a threat to stability in society. The cure though isn't the censor people, but to discourage racism through education and via preventing race from playing a role in determining people's merit.

And I don't believe so, in the wild humans would only have a hierarchy form naturally but not sub-divisions. You have to have a nation to have nationality and cultures to have races. Otherwise its just people with dark skin and light skin that are part of the same tribal unit. A genetic bottleneck early on in the history of humanity forced humans to cooperate far more than evolution had in mind and also to stick as a single race. Cultures and languages popped up after that, as well as nations. I mean, you travel back to ancient Greece and you have Athenians capable of racism against Spartans...but now? They are both Greek.

And by far left you mean American far left? Which is still within the safety of the little bubble that American politics has never ventured out of...unless you believe the conspiracy theories about FDR. I believe that women can be sexist and racist, as can minorities. Anyone can be racist or sexist. Anyone is capable of hatred and discrimination, and showing them it could possibly fuel a cycle that feeds both sides and creates an even bigger problem. It goes back to what I said about the mugging. Generalizations are how the brain works and it requires being actively conscious of the situation to avoid that trap and turn it into an institutionalized thing.

So the solution is for women to stop having babies? The glass ceiling, I always assumed they called it that because unless you are the one being held down on it the whole thing must look pretty silly. It isn't as bad as it used to be, but still exists. There are many reasons such as the fact that women can't just drop the fetus off in a bathtub and also that until recently many women were not going into a lot of fields that are high paying. (please don't make the joke about feminist researchers and stuff 'why didn't you go into a STEM tech' Researchers and Pollsters make thousands and thousands per poll they do, its a lot of fucking money and the only skill you need is statistics.). There is also the issue of people still feeling women are less capable then men, which would impact if a women is hired to a job or not.

The they there wasn't referring to white people, but to racist people. Racists often times don't view themselves as that, but just as traditionalists. I'm sorry if I didn't clarify earlier! I don't believe that there are that many racists, though with Trump's election - unless he was trolling - there is potential for a lot of harm. Most of his selling point was Anti-globalism/Protectionism. But people with guns and too much free time have promised us a race war in his honor.

I've not really ever encountered that so I can't speak to it. I just know that most of the politicians don't seem to think there is anything wrong with them - right or left. None of my leftist friends every use those terms either, not except for in jest. I've only actually ever heard them online.

And that still doesn't fully make sense to me. Who is behind it? Are you talking about people with PTSD being kept from having episodic flash-backs? I've never encountered that either and I'm even in a university that is fairly liberal I guess? The only thing close is that one of my professors has a son with down syndrome and so he doesn't enjoy hearing people say derogatory things about the illness. Other than that we let everyone speak whatever. I had to listen to someone go on an anti-lgbtq during class every Thursday for an entire semester once in which he called all male homosexuals pedophiles and said they should be 'treated'. The professor only did something when it interrupted the lecture - otherwise we were expected to sort it out ourselves.

this is going in circles and the original topic was trump being a message,, so ill summerize.

the racism arguement is factually wrong if applied as some major force in america, well, until late. the kkk movement and other supremacist movements have been dying over the last 50 years and that is a great thing. but now, as an example, we have the opposite side, black lives matter, and its so divisive and filled with many members who were raised to hate and distrust whites. this is so bad because its goin to inspire a counter balance and the pendulum will keep swinging. the point is racism is stupid and its on both sides, and growing and that should worry anyone. the left and right have issues with fostering this and both need to address it and stop it.

sexism in america is literally not a thing as an institution. to strawman me with saying woman shouldnt have kids isnt even relatable to what i said. i cannot even with that response. my point is woman are not being held back, they are getting ahead. it is what it is, i am unconcerned, but my point is feminsim should not still be trying to make this claim in a modern era. sexism and racism will always exist but its on individual levels now, and thus not a widespread epidemic. to state otherwise is nonsense. and to say that, i fear i cant trust your views on anything, to actually bold face say that it is still an institutionalized at any level while woman are choosing to not go into stem, but then say dont bring it up because pollsters make alot of money, this says nothing. why dont woman take those jobs. in fact some do. some do stem. nothing stops them they choose because they have agency. this is literally saying woman should make stem wages because they dont and they should because woman, or your stating women should be forced to take these jobs, which is against their will. wanna make stem field money without the degree or training?that shouldnt happen since they have to take those fields to make that money. thats how it should go. otherwise its like getting payed the wages of a computer softward expert at mcdonalds. it devalues the job, the work, the training, and makes all the time invested in being an expert pointless, so we wont have these positions because you can get that cash with little to no training.

whos behind it?leftist liberals. feminists, people who have idealogical beliefs that are based in good intentions and empathy and guilt turned militant imo. im no expert, so i cant narrow downt he hostory, but to suggest it isnt real....that is dishonest i feel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDlQ4H0Kdg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY (they try to silence that sweet asian student)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-Cqkq6zWc

just because you havent seen it doesnt mean its real. i dearly hope you dont empathize with these examples, i can find a million more.

Not saying it isn't real, just meant to imply that it probably doesn't happen often. I'd guess about as often as the Republican end of the spectrum. I think I'm going to start using dem and rep instead of left and right since its more applicable.

I'm pretty sure both sides fan fires they don't actually want burning and that keeps problems on both sides going. Its like the racism with feed-back loops. You say stuff to get elected and that empowers the message, then you have to say even more stuff to get reelected and so on and so forth. It would actually fit nicely with the fact that the country is becoming increasingly polarized - both parties being big tent doesn't help any though. You could pick ten random democracts or republicans and end up with forty different opinions. I've never been that big on populism.

My apologies then. And I think I acknowledged that they will both exist, but I pointed out the problem is when they start impacting society in a negative way. You are going to notice people are different, but when several people in power start treating them different because they have darker skin a bigger nose, buck teeth, brown eyes, or red hair then it becomes an issue.

I think you took a joke as a serious thing. I've just heard it so much I figured I would preempt any attack on the people that do that research by saying they probably earn enough to be doing alright for themselves.

It seems a fruitless effort to argue this point though, I can show you PEW Research Centre data on it, but only if you promise not to scream propaganda at me. I'm not accusing you of anything, its just hard to dig up articles on that site and I've had them dismissed too many times just because of the name of the site.

I didn't say it was major, but it certainly isn't minor.

i have yet to see much evidence of the government treating people diffrently. trump said alot of things, that may be off color, but nothing that suggested hate or discrimination, as a cause. my point here is you genuinely seem to believe these issues are actually big, when really, they tend ot be distractions fo the bigger causes of these issues, either social or political or financial.

as for the pollsters, like said, they get paid to do it, and so can woman. a feat example was if memory serves there was a 20 year study done by two woman of the FBI i think investigating rapes on college campuses and found it was quite low. woman make choices because woman are people too. they are smart, and independent as they choose to be. nothing is holding woman back in a way in america that is instutionalized or not, is all, from what i have seen.

and im not trying to be hostile or anything, debates can usually be charged a bit but i would rather debate and maybe learn something!

if its unbiased and done factually im always happy to see any kind of figures especially if they actually and accurately detract my beliefs. i dont like being wrong on subjects, so if i am im always willing to be corrected! besides if i dont believe it im not gonna hold you accountable for the article lol but if its a reputable source i always take it into account.

Trump just got elected, I mean the ones already in office. And I mean more so of governments not acting than acting - since trying to bring back laws that discriminate on race openly would be unheard of.


And lets go then:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan.....some-progress/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan.....rican-workers/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan.....ros-takeaways/


Some interesting, two relevant.

And Campus rape.
http://www.nij.gov/journals/277/pag.....l-assault.aspx

http://www.nsvrc.org/saam/campus-resource-list

Also, despite everything with tumblr and all those other hot words, apparently this
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan.....-in-the-world/

Showed up when looking for income inequality because search.

also i mean nothing as an insult, so please keep in mind. also i might have overly assumed your position, so apologies if so >3<

The logical side of me understands what transpired and not surprised at all that he won.

The emotional side fears his party though. With the Dems, I was mainly worried about losing gun rights. With the Republicans, I'm worried about who I will be able to marry and go out to eat with. How I'll be able to fund medical services. How much more religion and money will be injected into politics. How many more businesses like Bayer, Monsanto,etc will get away with killing the world and us.

I'm against his health care policies mostly. it wont change anything allowing policies to cross state lines, its going ot make things at worse no different, i think they are going to be horrible in alot of ways, not gonna lie. businesses won't hire full time almsot anywhere, and if he repeals obamacare without a better plan put in place at the same time, hes going to fuck alot of people, and that is heinously wrong.

though nothing is going to change, i guarantee, on gay rights, and marriage. im more afraid of his horrible security policy of reinstating the goddamn patriot act. and with full house repubs it'll pass. its fucking insane.

Nods, however, the religious freedom acts bound to transpire thru the states could mean no happiness for many of us.

they will fail too. they do because they are stupid laws. i would march against those if they gained popularity. its pure nonsense to do that. i eman i respect business rights, but genuine discrimination is wrong and violates what made america, which is diversity and integration, normalizing our differences.

Aye, but thats part of the republican platform
Quote from their platform
"Marriage, Family, and Society
Foremost among those institutions is the
American family. It is the foundation of civil society,
and the cornerstone of the family is natural marriage,
the union of one man and one woman. Its daily
lessons — cooperation, patience, mutual respect,
responsibility, self-reliance — are fundamental to
the order and progress of our Republic. Strong
families, depending upon God and one another,
advance the cause of liberty by lessening the need
for government in their daily lives. Conversely, as
we have learned over the last five decades, the loss
of faith and family life leads to greater dependence
upon government. .......................................
For that reason, as explained elsewhere
in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme
Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its
reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or
a constitutional amendment returning control over
marriage to the states. We oppose government
discrimination against businesses or entities which
decline to sell items or services to individuals for
activities that go against their religious views about
such activities."

https://prod-static-ngop-pbl.s3.ama.....1468872234.pdf

ffs...what is wrong with republicans?this nonsense wont stand though, i seriosuly doubt it even with majority. that would immediatly kill the republican party forever in america i would imagine

Would it? 59million votes to both candidates. 47% each. It seems that a good percentage of the country wants that platform. I'm even debating with another babyfur who seems to be supporting exactly that definition of family, and i honestly dont get it. He's married and feeling like his religious freedoms are being squashed, while at the same time denying other good human beings from enjoying the same.

well i think alot of those for trump, honestly, just want to defeat hillary and send a message, i dont think most of them ahte gay rights at all. after all, gay rights passed and a majority of the country wanted it. i dont think that changed at all, and for what its worth i would stand up to fight anyone trying to revoke those.

And I genuinely appreciate that gesture, and I hope it doesn't come to the point of demonstration, armed or not. But that is why firmly i stand beside the first and second amendments (and yes I have my own lead sleds)

best name for guns 2016!

but like said, for what its worth i wouldnt worry. trump will be too busy trying to find out how to do...well anything that lasts.

Hehe, I've heard it a few times from others.

and Obamacare raising your premiums 25% doesn't make you afraid for your medical funds?As far as money goes on average the Democrats receive 50% more outside funding then the Republicans during election year(not that im advocating for Republicans because they stopped being conservatives a long time ago,) and the top ten richest donations are all Democrat, ( this is including unions and business, if you go by single individuals your looking at just the top 3). I think it can be safely said that both parties look almost the same with minor cosmetic differences, both want bigger federal government control of its citizens lives.

ACA was certainly not perfect. The republicans blocked the public option, which would have forced the insurance companies to compete with medicaid/medicare. Instead, they only have to compete with themselves under the current setup. So ya, they see the opportunity to raise rates like no bodies business cause hey, "Everyone has to have insurance now and we are the only ones selling it".
I am covered under the expanded medicaid cause of the ACA, and before you try to say I'm one of those lazy libs. I'm working part time and going to school full-time for my masters so I can actually have a decent paying job.
I also wasn't a Hillary supporter, but no way i was going to vote for the Republican platform.

you have to stand for your beliefs. i too often hold my tongue out of fear of backlash but it only makes me a coward. im not pro trump, i'm mostly anti hillary and against the movement that has become the regressive left. they are as racist and bigoted as the far right and don't even realize it.
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i agree about the warzone, but far left leaning folks i believe may have drawn first blood to cause this. blanket calling everyone a sexist and racist only strengthened their resolve. many knew they weren't and it pushed them to fight back. some are but, most wear it proudly and make it easy to see. the people who were accused, and weren't, were hurt because its not true. they believe trump is their savior., because of a loss of jobs, security and hope in their future. not because of racism, imo. i don't believe hes the second coming, but i don't believe hes going to cause the apocalypse.

on fa, i don't consort with many artists because many have fallen for this trap. not open mindedness but irrational fear. look at the journals, they are all convinced the sky is falling, its fear based on faith, its irrational with little evidence yet to back it up. its a said vs do thing, trump says all sorts of shit, hillary has done all sorts of shit. this is a case to me of the devil you don't know is worse then the devil you do, to reverse the old phrase.

correction the devil you DO know is worse then the devil you don't, i meant

Well said, and thank you for saying it. So far, you're the first I've seen that's not all gloom and doom about Trump's win.

unfortunately, most people have become emotional reactionaries....rational thought and level headed thinking is getting rare and its really worrying. i don't know what happened, this wasn't an issue when i grew up, everyone was cool with everyone

I don't think the problem is that people have become more emotional, but that the Internet is being tweaked to make those reactions really visible.

Facebook shows you the most heavily responded messages, hides ones that receive no attention. Google shows results that are clicked the most. Not to mention that the Internet draws people to say things they normally wouldn't. There's a weird psychological phenomenon where because you can post something and walk away, you feel more comfortable saying something brash.

I dealt with people like this growing up, even in my own family. You should have heard all the people yelling about moving to Canada because of Bush Jr. You wouldn't see it if you weren't around them behind closed doors. You're just seeing them all now, thanks to the Internet.

that is really interesting tbh i didnt know that people were as scared of bush jr, not that i blame them. that was a train wreck.

but that is true, the net makes our largest scenes more out there and open, and it is all being brought to light by social media which is kinda taking over actual interaction. the evolution of socializing is so strange

Seriously. As much as I disagree with the guy, I'm not going to waste time being sad, being scared, speculating on what he might do. There will be time for all that when it comes, but there's no sense ruining your day. Another one's going to come. And another after that. We can deal with anything bad that happens when it happens.

I still think its funny how The simpsons predicted trump would run and Win, all the way back in 2000.

they did LOL?damn. that is some serious lucky guessing

"the arrogant holier then thou elites who think us stupid plebians will just keep taking the abuse."
and donald trump ISN'T? Hes an "elite" if ever there was one

He isn't an elite if the alt-right says he isn't. They can't be wrong - ever - about anything! x3

oh for sure hes an elite. of that, there is no doubt. but hes not part of the establishment, to the people voting. i think its possible he will copitualte and become insanely establishment since those are the circles he runs in. i meant elite as people who didnt want him, which is most of the washington types. but your entirely right.

well lets see, the bush Family opposed him, the Kennedy's apposed him,the Clinton's apposed him, both political parties hated him,so yeah hes a rich son of a bitch but all the right people didn't like him so yeah he was a outsider.

yeah hes an outsider, i think by elite, he just means rich. hes not part of he "in"group though, that was the appeal. and i don think people who are 100% agaisnt him have heard his first 100 day speech. that isnt bad at all.

Like all politicians, he knew what he had to say to get into office, and he knows what he can realistically do based on that. I was never of the opinion he was THE DOOM OF THE RACE - but I do agree, a lot of his plans are good. There are some small areas inside them that worry me.

yeah m biggest fear is the fear i still have, and the most realistic one. the one i believe though i want ot hope...is that hes just playing the con man, like ususal and will immediaty flip and be hillary or worse...he flipped on the wall which is good, i doubted and hoped he wasnt that stupid to try, but hes already looking to get some of the type of people, wealthy crooked types, that caused the crash of 2008, in his cabinet...

I find it quite happy that people wanting free education and free health care, how can it be so true? It's not free we the people pay our taxes are paying for the free things that lure people into the association of what side says this and says that, the tax payers can not stand for higher taxes when people believe that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer is false the rich took many risks to get where they are and having what they earned the poor are poor because they settle for less or none at all Americans finally woke up and spoke that no more shale the people be a stepping stone for the government elite if trump does good and makes America money again for the people then the poor will no longer be poor and can pay for more things and can afford real homes and real education to become the rich

free health care and college is certainly possible, all we would have to do is use the money from the oversea wars to do it.now, as for elites earning everything they have?that is definte alot of credit and leeway, how many of them are liek trump born into wealth?how about people like rockerfeller who fucking crushed and even killed workers to make his riches?you can say earned but often that money is either inherited, or blood money. for a an who made his business and built it up, yeah, for sure, they earned it. but people like politicians who get elected then take lobbyst cash to fuck his constituants...that isnt earned. making money in the country wont make the poor less poor unless more jobs, and oppurtunity for education come. i think it was warren buttett that said it"the more you learn the more you earn"to say the elites all took risks and earned it, that is defintely not nearly true for some. not everyone earned their money like bill gates. its defintely alot of earned money in there to which was earned by virtue of birth, like trump. if good jobs come here, and trump does manage to keep part of his claims, the middle class will return hopefully which is a start

i think peolpe simply need to give it time, as trump isnt nearly as evil as people have made him out.said some weird stuff, dumb stuff, questionable stuff, yes....but also some good policy stuff..some def very bad, some pretty good

I have not fully explained myself thank you for elaborating my self but more jobs will make us have more money so that you can have more patron funds and we can enjoy your work for what you bring to the community, I think trump is what this country needed 16 years ago.