Looks great to me! :D

That something.

It was just a reverse joke from me.

This is amazing work. The scale is a bit off, but the details of the individual ships are simply amazing!

(excelsior is smaller than the star wars ship :3)

im guessing that its just a scale thing. by the looks of it the star destroyer at the bottom is a fair distance away while the excelsior is much much closer to the point of view

Yeah, after posting that I realized it could be a distance thing.

It is. Drawing that ship from closer would fill out all the space.

And give me many many more work I don't wanted to handle.

excelsior will win. star destroyers have no deflector shields :3 and all they have are layzarz.

Lasers and Armor. But yeah most large UFP ships would clean a Stardestroyer's clock pretty fast as long as it doesn't launch fighters.

Most "large" UFP ships would neatly fit in the docking bay of a Star Destroyer, and thus the "battle" would probably go the way of Princess Leia's ship vs Star Destroyer at the opening of A New Hope, lol

Large is relative. That said, An ISD is slow and lumbering thing compared to the Federation ship, which is why the ISD would need to launch fighters to cope.

The capture of to Princess' cruiser in Ep VI is the result of beating down a smaller ship that has none of the fighting and maneuvering capabilities of a Starfleet vessel. Indeed it was explained that the cruiser was not made for fighting. This contrasts against most Federation vessels made to fight and survive, encounter most nature phenomenon and survive, adapt (with effort) and survive, Given the complex system of energy fields a Starfleet Vessel emits, and ISDs only effective options is to keep shooting, which would prove grossly inadequate in the face of a mobile nature of most Star Trek vessels. Thus the need for fighters. However most larger Federation vessels are too strong for SW fighters, and can pop 100s of TIEs like an atomic bug zapper very quickly.

Unaided by their fighter complements. however, an ISD has no chance of taking a Starfleet vessel in actual combat except at point blank range, which any competent ship's captain would conclude from sensor data would be stupid at best.

The picture as shown would depict more a "I come in peace" trap by the ISDs allowing them to get in close enough to remove most of the Excelsior class's maneuvering advantages.

The Imp Star Destroyer has way more firepower than the federation ship. It also has the range to bring its guns to bare on the fed ship before the fed ship can get into maximum phaser range. Long range photon torpedoes would be knocked out with relative ease by the ISD turbolaser batteries. Also, the federation doesn't know about the star destroyers weakness so I think the star destroyer would beat them to death.

This was considered in discussions I had in a workshop I was in. The ISD indeed has the raw force, but can not see very far compared to the a Starfleet vessel. Plus its weapons are not very goo at long range firing, because their sensors are not nearly as good.

A typical error in the thinking that goes one comparing the two ships is the the an ISD is very poor at long range, thus the need for fighters. While Star Fleet vessels and very poor at close range.

The Amount of force a StarFleet vessel can bring to bare versus and ISD is like comparing a Rapier and a Battle Axe. The StarFleet Vessel is so precise and able to deliver such force on a tiny point, as to easily be the match of a ISD in a one-on-one fight. But only if the ISD can close the distance to limit or eliminate the Starship's range advantage. Failing this the ISD would have to rely on fighters than the Starfleet vessel can easy pop like soap bubbles before suffering much, if any, harm itself.

Next, Because Star Fleet crews are often manned with personal with engineering and scientific credentials and skills, it would not take long for a few scans to reveal exactly how to kill and ISD in a few "pokes". Shield generators outside the the ship on top of the main bridge/conning tower. the Main reactor, partially exposes. Sorry but if a Federation ship can easily drill into the side of a planet, the shielding of an ISD's main reactor is going to be pretty easy to pierce. Especially since the Federation ship will be radically more agile. The ISD will not be able to maneuver fast enough to cover that weakness. or keep it's weapons trained for a solid hit.

As for the torpedoes, Those are aggravating hard to shoot down. Often able to change course and even pursue a target, most torpedoes are impossible to intercept.

It still comes down to the actual combat situation. But barring the use of fighters, more often than not the Federation would cripple and/or destroy and ISD before taking significant damage itself.

ot see very far compared to the a Starfleet vessel. Plus its weapons are not very goo at long range firing, because their sensors are not nearly as good.

Not true at all. Where are you getting this. A star destroyer can bomb flat a city from high orbit. An Imperial Star Destroyers heavy guns are like the guns on an iowa class battleship. Short range. That's not true. Where did you hear that?

ext, Because Star Fleet crews are often manned with personal with engineering and scientific credentials and skills, it would not take long for a few scans to reveal exactly how to kill and ISD in a few "pokes".

I don't fucking care about that!

The ISD will not be able to maneuver fast enough to cover that weakness. or keep it's weapons trained for a solid hit.

The federation ships move impossible and unrealistically fast in generation. They turn way too fast for a ship that size. How do they turn their ship around without the use of thrust vectoring. An imperial star destroyer can lay waste to a city the size of Boston in less than thirty minutes. Federation ships turn unrealistically fast in the vacuum of space with out vectoring jets to allow for such swift turning.

Using the warp drive to do hit and fade strikes on a star destroyer would be a serious drain on the warp engines leaving the ship depleted of reserve energy.

This is the good old topic what never gets old. I read so many about this, and all I learned is that all depends on what data the person takes legit. MY DA account has an old old picture similar to this, many stuff can be readen there.

I love comments like this. "Deflectors" are mentioned multiple times in each movie. Also, where were the Star Trek shields in the final battles of DS9? :p

Well they forgot the shield in the whole major battle scene's in DS9. Dunno why, maybe it was cheaper for the making.

Thing is, while I grew up on Star Trek, saw every episode of every series, I also like Star Wars (and babylon 5, stargate, all the sci-fis). So while Trek is my main love, imbalanced arguments just so on'es favorite sci-fi can win all the time is just... illogical. I've never really understood why people compare the two, they're such different settings, with different styles of storytelling, even different laws of physics, allowing ships to do different things. I'm usually a spectator to this endless nonsense of "my sci-fi can beat up your sci-fi", but tonight I'm too tired to care :p

Cross-setting encounters tend to be very one-sided, and this is about as one-sided as they get. The Federation has barely explored 10% of the Galaxy (and that's divided between them and the Klingons and Romulans), the Empire has all the resources of an entire Galaxy. In a slug-fest, each Federation ship will have to face 10 Star Destroyers that dwarf it like Borg Cubes (or if you prefer, Gem Hadar super-battleships).

Anyway, I wonder why nobody ever gets to the heart of the matter, why they really love one sci-fi and hate the other?

Simple, they just opted to not use them to make it more exciting to watch ships explode. The people who write those shows are bigger and better informed nerds that we are by a wide margin.

Totally awesome LZ * now get some sleep ^_~

Sleep done.

Than Let us renew our battle with the Empire my friend ^_~ *his Custom Battle droid Commandos lock and load*

looks like the one in the vehicle book~! all the details might be even more than in the guide

The details are random, something what looks good.

This isn't poorly drawn Stardestroyer at all!
This pic looks like work of a pro

Yep.

Not only do I think the Star Destroyer looks better, I believe that it will win.

Because Star Wars.

And all the Trekies will thing exactly the opposite. :3

Le I le can't le understand your le accent.

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hmmmm.. looking at this makes me think of an old forum i used to visit which was a furry star trek vs star wars thing. and they had ideas on how to balance everything for the game they played. i know odd i know but, one thing that always peaked my curiousity was just how powerful the SD's were as in there write up 1 full on volley of the turbolasers if they all connected was equal to like getting hit by 4 to 5 romulan plasma torpedoes. even so this picture is amazing and i can't wait to see it finished and colored hopefully.

The TFC forum. If you browse back in my gallery you can find some more stuff from those times.

o really.. you went there often? *is curious* I used to long long ago... i could never wrap my head around how the combat system worked so for the most part i just watched *pokes fingers* though i did feel the Borg were a little... underpowered at times but hey all in the name of balancing and all either way still can't wait to see this piece finished it looks wonderful so far landing *bows to you again*

I didn't really got that far to actually add anything to the story, so I don't remember much of the ship armament's. I stuck at my bio completely there, never was a great rp player anyway.

*shi nods* i wonder whatever happened to their project of trying to do a full movie based on there story <.<

Probably long dead as the site to. But you should ask Zanna shes around and was way deeper into it than I ever was.

*shi nods then blinks* eh.. wait.. TFC is dead? o.O when did that happen?

Long ago.

oh well such is life i guess.

I hate taking this WAY too seriously, but unless the Federation ship is dead in space, it would easily outrun and outmaneuver an ISD. Because their FLT capabilities are so different from each other, A Federation ship and and ISD have a very hard time dealing with each other directly except at sub-light. The Federation ship is quicker and much more agile at sub-light speeds, while the ISD is faster than the Federation ship in FTL.

Weapons-wise, the Federation ship can drill deep into planets, lob "nukes" powerful enough to scour planets clean of life, and if the core blows... It's roughly the equal of an ISD in terms of sheer output. But delivery hands it to the ISD. Just raw force, while federation ships are more precise, varied, and controlled.

Unless teh ISD launches fighters however, the Federation ship will easier over-match the ISD one on one. Multiple ISDs versus one Fed Ship can be present a serious problem. Especially at Melee or point-blank range.

This is the good old conflict both side can explain why is one ship way superior than the other. Whan thing is certain for me the ISD's can sure pull the excelsior. They are a bit more mass, and Im sure they tractor can get the feds to, even if their weapons going to have some problems. I say the fed will find a way out of this mess, easily or maybe not that easily it don't really. There isn't much story behind this, I just wanted to draw something what someone can't make in a game by pressing print screen button.

Cool! I wonder what this is shaping into...

A desktop screen, cuz sadly that all what I planed here. Otherwise said this was pretty random.

A crossover! I always love such idead :D And the amount of details is insane, great work :)

Hey, very cool, haven't seen you drawn any starships like this in a good long while, nice to see that you're still able to kick some but when it comes to the ships, especially the Excelsior.

I personally love Bothan Assault Cruisers. Roughly the size of an Victory Class Star Destroyer, the Bothan Assault cruiser can successfully take on and defeat an Imperial Class II Star Destroyer without fighters or a 'poke' to knock out the armor plated shield generator domes. It has 20 Heavy Anti Capital Ship Proton Torpedo Launchers, 14 salvos of torpedos, and can deploy four squadrons of new republic fighters including at least 1 E-Wing squadron and 1 K-Wing Squadron. One K-Wing bomber packs enough firepower to cripple if not outright destroy older star destroyers.

First Imperial Star Destroyers 19 years before battle of yavin

First Imperial Star Destroyer Class II sometime in and around 0 years before the battle of yavin

Bothan Assault Cruiser introduced 25 or so years after the original movie.

And its 16 vollys of torpedo. They get fired out, away from the ship in every direction and converge on the enemy ship from multiple directions. Makes it a lot harder to swat all 20 heavy torpedo down.