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2 years ago
I am poor please support me via Patreon or DeviantArt
I got 1-day suspended recently, accused that these two pieces are "AI" despite contrary evidence and witnesses:
https://www.deviantart.com/inafoxy/.....ight-966267736
https://www.deviantart.com/inafoxy/.....-You-899830058
These two images were removed from FA, plus the NSFW version of the first one.
Like the moth one was made before the Stable Diffusion shite AI plagiarists use was even coded:
https://api.github.com/repos/CompVi.....able-diffusion (see "created_at": "2022-08-10T14:36:44Z")
Kudos to Womp for pointing that out. The moth one was made in 2021 and even now no AIs resemble my art.
My friend got accused of the same thing on Facebook. Professional artists are being accused, even traditional ones. My art nor theirs has a look that resembles any AI model out there. Literally everyone who has accused me said they can generate what I do 1:1 even but simply hasn't shown proof. It's all bullshit. AI steals composition and strokes, and my art isn't even stroke-oriented. My gradients go through LAB colour space, AI gradients go through RGB colour space. AI is 8-10-bits, my art is 16-32-bits. AI is low-res with upscale artifacts, my art is high-res with no artifacts. AI is typically high-contrast saturation with an over-exposed appearance, my most recent art is full-range colour and follows the curvature of specifically the Mike Azevedo colour technique. My art has alpha/masking as well as sketching and WIPs, AI does not. How they even discern if something is AI is beyond me, if you put a AI image into photo forensics you will quickly see my art is not remotely alike AI. Ignoring my WIPs however is the worst of it.
AI people on IB also tried tagging my whole gallery as AI to get at me, IB has taken a pro-AI stance and the whole front page is littered with AI. Those people are trolls with a delusion that artists are some kind of oppressive class just because we put the effort into our work. But artists like me are working class people who are actually trying to express themselves and are self-sacrificing. Meanwhile I don't use AI and take months a piece now, being insinuated that I use AI and have no artistic merit as you can imagine is heartbreaking for any artist who spends so much effort. To pour your heart and soul into something and then get bullied by plagiarists and accusers while plagiarists get off scot-free on other sites is awful, it's not right. I was hopeful FA would protect me, a slow artist, from AI spam but instead they're accusing me who posts genuine authentic art slowly. I feel like people are trying to push people like me who spend effort to sites where AI spam exists out of sheer envy because literally why would anyone spend so much effort to debase a single image from someone while AI plagiarists post AI-generated spam in huge volumes? I can only guard and defend single images I've made myself while AI people who spam sites don't care a single image gets removed because they didn't make it. So that leaves people like me who actually spent a lot of time on an image hit. I don't have to share or make art, and if it wasn't for artists who spend effort, AI wouldn't even exist because it "steals" from the artwork that has typically the longest time spent on it. It's used by envious plagiarists who are self-entitled in a world of ever-growing laziness.
And AI posters post 5 images of AI a day on IB/DA and they hate artists like me who spend months on each work but can't explain anything about the artistry in the image nor can the AI they use. They say artists are "outdated" and "whiny", that you "can't copyright style" while robbing us artisans of the hardest elements of our work, the laborious details. I can explain and remake everything in my images as well. My art just takes a lot of effort and thought. Having semi-photorealistic art doesn't mean you use AI, at most it means photobashing but I make my own photo-real brushes and textures ahead of time so I can reuse them. Probably some AI user is stealing my art right now laughing while on FA I am accused falsely of AI. It really is awful what's going on right now.
I sent tons of WIPs and evidence to FA and have witnesses for my art creation. I can share evidence with any who asks, and future projects I make will be recorded more thoroughly.
I sent an appeal for these warnings but like the tickets I have, FA just isn't responding.
It's been half a month since I made my first trouble tickets and when I reported and blocked the person attacking my account accusing me of AI they suspended me in just a day for my more recent art. I don't know if this troll was a sockpuppet account of a rogue mod or what but it's extremely unprofessional either way and googling their username you can clearly see they used AI sites so they're probably accusing me of AI because they hate artists and the fact there was a ban. I see their gallery was removed long ago. Especially since this person was incredibly insulting and even claimed my art could be "regenerated" on no evidence basis.
Trouble tickets and evidence ignored:
9 days ago Ticket ID #230802
General -> Dispute Administrative Action (Art removed is not AI) 0 Never
16 days ago Ticket ID #230499
General -> Dispute Administrative Action (None of my images are AI and project files are always on my Patreon) 0 Never
I noticed a lot of fine art poofing on the FA main page, leaving illustrative-oriented works on the front page. I'm not the only one being accused. May be we can form a group on the matter. It's like they (e.g. rogue mods) dislike certain styles or forms of effort. Hopefully FA gets its act together soon or it'll just go the way of SheezyArt back when everyone left because of accusing all adopts as being the mass-produce of dollmaker software.
I always report AI images when I see it as well, esp the scammers asking for commissions. Thanks to AI shit artists are constantly abused from both sides. We don't deserve that shit and I will call that out.
I don't feel safe on FA, or other sites if I'm honest. If administration is compromised and ignoring WIPs dated across the time of creation especially. I presume I'm on my last warning now as well but I must inform people in case I post something here and just get banned.
And you'd think they'd at least read and respond to disputes.
Either I'd get buried under AI spam on sites like IB/DA or you get falsely accused of being AI on FA.
It doesn't produce a very good future for artists, there is no safety net anymore thanks to goddamn AI.
I give the FA administration the benefit of the doubt if it's coincidence but something is very fishy here.
May be it's incompetence, may be it's envy, may be it's discrimination... I don't know. I just don't like bullies.
I just hope it's not the FA administration itself that's doing this.
Here are some good new anti-AI sites that accept WIP proof and aren't trigger-happy, but they're not furry-focused:
https://side7.com
https://cara.app
https://www.artgram.co
Now if only I can add FA back to this list.
I will still use DA until my gifted Pro membership runs out despite the site flooded with AI crap:
https://www.deviantart.com/inafoxy
Sorry to my 800-something watchers and those I have supported here but I will be going elsewhere if this won't be resolved as I can't rely on a site that just threatens to remove you and your art on solely unjust discretion.
Hopefully FA becomes aware of the issue and reinstates my art and if there are rogue mods they get called out.
https://www.deviantart.com/inafoxy/.....ight-966267736
https://www.deviantart.com/inafoxy/.....-You-899830058
These two images were removed from FA, plus the NSFW version of the first one.
Like the moth one was made before the Stable Diffusion shite AI plagiarists use was even coded:
https://api.github.com/repos/CompVi.....able-diffusion (see "created_at": "2022-08-10T14:36:44Z")
Kudos to Womp for pointing that out. The moth one was made in 2021 and even now no AIs resemble my art.
My friend got accused of the same thing on Facebook. Professional artists are being accused, even traditional ones. My art nor theirs has a look that resembles any AI model out there. Literally everyone who has accused me said they can generate what I do 1:1 even but simply hasn't shown proof. It's all bullshit. AI steals composition and strokes, and my art isn't even stroke-oriented. My gradients go through LAB colour space, AI gradients go through RGB colour space. AI is 8-10-bits, my art is 16-32-bits. AI is low-res with upscale artifacts, my art is high-res with no artifacts. AI is typically high-contrast saturation with an over-exposed appearance, my most recent art is full-range colour and follows the curvature of specifically the Mike Azevedo colour technique. My art has alpha/masking as well as sketching and WIPs, AI does not. How they even discern if something is AI is beyond me, if you put a AI image into photo forensics you will quickly see my art is not remotely alike AI. Ignoring my WIPs however is the worst of it.
AI people on IB also tried tagging my whole gallery as AI to get at me, IB has taken a pro-AI stance and the whole front page is littered with AI. Those people are trolls with a delusion that artists are some kind of oppressive class just because we put the effort into our work. But artists like me are working class people who are actually trying to express themselves and are self-sacrificing. Meanwhile I don't use AI and take months a piece now, being insinuated that I use AI and have no artistic merit as you can imagine is heartbreaking for any artist who spends so much effort. To pour your heart and soul into something and then get bullied by plagiarists and accusers while plagiarists get off scot-free on other sites is awful, it's not right. I was hopeful FA would protect me, a slow artist, from AI spam but instead they're accusing me who posts genuine authentic art slowly. I feel like people are trying to push people like me who spend effort to sites where AI spam exists out of sheer envy because literally why would anyone spend so much effort to debase a single image from someone while AI plagiarists post AI-generated spam in huge volumes? I can only guard and defend single images I've made myself while AI people who spam sites don't care a single image gets removed because they didn't make it. So that leaves people like me who actually spent a lot of time on an image hit. I don't have to share or make art, and if it wasn't for artists who spend effort, AI wouldn't even exist because it "steals" from the artwork that has typically the longest time spent on it. It's used by envious plagiarists who are self-entitled in a world of ever-growing laziness.
And AI posters post 5 images of AI a day on IB/DA and they hate artists like me who spend months on each work but can't explain anything about the artistry in the image nor can the AI they use. They say artists are "outdated" and "whiny", that you "can't copyright style" while robbing us artisans of the hardest elements of our work, the laborious details. I can explain and remake everything in my images as well. My art just takes a lot of effort and thought. Having semi-photorealistic art doesn't mean you use AI, at most it means photobashing but I make my own photo-real brushes and textures ahead of time so I can reuse them. Probably some AI user is stealing my art right now laughing while on FA I am accused falsely of AI. It really is awful what's going on right now.
I sent tons of WIPs and evidence to FA and have witnesses for my art creation. I can share evidence with any who asks, and future projects I make will be recorded more thoroughly.
I sent an appeal for these warnings but like the tickets I have, FA just isn't responding.
It's been half a month since I made my first trouble tickets and when I reported and blocked the person attacking my account accusing me of AI they suspended me in just a day for my more recent art. I don't know if this troll was a sockpuppet account of a rogue mod or what but it's extremely unprofessional either way and googling their username you can clearly see they used AI sites so they're probably accusing me of AI because they hate artists and the fact there was a ban. I see their gallery was removed long ago. Especially since this person was incredibly insulting and even claimed my art could be "regenerated" on no evidence basis.
Trouble tickets and evidence ignored:
9 days ago Ticket ID #230802
General -> Dispute Administrative Action (Art removed is not AI) 0 Never
16 days ago Ticket ID #230499
General -> Dispute Administrative Action (None of my images are AI and project files are always on my Patreon) 0 Never
I noticed a lot of fine art poofing on the FA main page, leaving illustrative-oriented works on the front page. I'm not the only one being accused. May be we can form a group on the matter. It's like they (e.g. rogue mods) dislike certain styles or forms of effort. Hopefully FA gets its act together soon or it'll just go the way of SheezyArt back when everyone left because of accusing all adopts as being the mass-produce of dollmaker software.
I always report AI images when I see it as well, esp the scammers asking for commissions. Thanks to AI shit artists are constantly abused from both sides. We don't deserve that shit and I will call that out.
I don't feel safe on FA, or other sites if I'm honest. If administration is compromised and ignoring WIPs dated across the time of creation especially. I presume I'm on my last warning now as well but I must inform people in case I post something here and just get banned.
And you'd think they'd at least read and respond to disputes.
Either I'd get buried under AI spam on sites like IB/DA or you get falsely accused of being AI on FA.
It doesn't produce a very good future for artists, there is no safety net anymore thanks to goddamn AI.
I give the FA administration the benefit of the doubt if it's coincidence but something is very fishy here.
May be it's incompetence, may be it's envy, may be it's discrimination... I don't know. I just don't like bullies.
I just hope it's not the FA administration itself that's doing this.
Here are some good new anti-AI sites that accept WIP proof and aren't trigger-happy, but they're not furry-focused:
https://side7.com
https://cara.app
https://www.artgram.co
Now if only I can add FA back to this list.
I will still use DA until my gifted Pro membership runs out despite the site flooded with AI crap:
https://www.deviantart.com/inafoxy
Sorry to my 800-something watchers and those I have supported here but I will be going elsewhere if this won't be resolved as I can't rely on a site that just threatens to remove you and your art on solely unjust discretion.
Hopefully FA becomes aware of the issue and reinstates my art and if there are rogue mods they get called out.
So many large-scale websites of late have been enshittified in the last few years, either through incompetence or malicious profitability. No matter the opposition, not even one protest from any number of the users has succeeded in stopping any of these changes.
The best thing I can recommend is simply not giving FA your patronage. Put all your time investment and care into a website that won't spend 5 minutes undermining 100 hours of your work just because they can.
What sites do you recommend? Have you heard any worth looking at in regards to this?
I do feral stuff mostly though not just porn. I know IB but that has it's own problems at the moment.
Thanks for your comment altair :3
I've also never relied on FA much for the 'social media' side of things, so e621 fulfills a lot of my interests (sharing art, seeing others' art) just as well. I can certainly imagine most people don't like the general lack of social media-ness of it though.
And yeah e621 can be alright but it's quite critical on an non-artistic level and porn-oriented it feels quite anti-social. Plus the owners make more money via ad revenue from people's art being on there than any artists do. I'm just a hobbyist but I don't like financially supporting them when they said some bad things about artists and made the e6ai offshoot as well. At least they do keep things separate. It just feels like a shady site but then boorus did start out as non-consensually reposting/pirate sites.
Plus the AI posters spam the main feed and get appreciation for doing nothing, which is deprecative for artists and just encourages more AI. The more of them it'll just get worse. Many I seen won't tag their images as AI either. It's a problem on both sides and as a artist on IB you just don't get the exposure that other sites give. For example I have very few watchers on IB compared to DA/FA. I'm not chasing fame or anything btw it's just I do feel other sites aren't very rewarding for the effort ensued and is discouraging when relative laziness and piracy gets rewarded instead.
Ideally I want a site without AI spam and one that doesn't allow false accusations of my work as being such. May be one a bit more modern and asks for proof before just taking people's art down with warnings, etc.
these people need to touch grass and stop harassing you
But for serious, FA staff needs to do fucking better. Don't just take a random person's word for it that they fed AI art into a checker that isn't AI. You're hurting real artists with this shit bc you refuse to pay someone to take 2 minutes to confirm or deny that your reports are real or fake. Stop ruining this site more than it is
Also Glaze uses laguerre DCT transposition so isn't AI itself, it's just called that lol. In fact recently they removed it from the name to reduce confusion :3
It disturbs the sampling process, that's all. Their site explains a little.
Optic is AI and an online detector but has been broken, by the looks, ever since people exploited the vote system.