FA still accusing my art of AI, altering claims
2 years ago
I am poor please support me via Patreon or DeviantArt
FA now says that the parts of the image they accuse as AI are "in the face", "at the rear".
I've asked them now to circle this, and highlighted that at my current skill level if I was to use AI I would be able to avoid looking like such, considering my ink drawing is "below" my overall ability.
But no, just nebulous claims, e.g. they just decide that a random part of my stroke work is somehow "AI" even though the stroke work is clearly the same brush throughout.
I mean they did the same for other pieces, which had vector layers. And they backed down from that, because they couldn't really refute such.
But it seems like they're blaming the design now instead of artifacts. Meaning they're acting like AI can claim all art styles "between" existing ones are now AI.
Like they're acting like AI is some kind of super-artist that can copyright all interpolations of existent styles before they exist.
I'm still waiting for them to "show" what exactly is "AI" that they feel my design work looks like.
But then the pro-AI trolls who banned me from their AI-filled server and accused this same piece as being "AI" literally said the same and wouldn't prove it.
I don't like the attitude that says AI has a style, because AI copies from artists. The most creative thing AI can do is re-skin and interpolate using the time-expensively crafted paintwork from other images.
The point to which AI interpolates between two styles is not indifferent from when an artist references two different styles, as well.
I'm very much doubting FA can find anything similar before my art was made. The problem with their system is the lack of objectivity, removing AI is a good thing; just removing images blaming them as AI isn't.
I want to know the AI model, the prompt, the images, and ideally the training sources.
As for all they know if there was an AI model that looked remotely similar, it's either a) copied my existent work, or b) others' art I've subconsciously absorbed.
I tend to avoid AI images so I'm pretty sure I haven't subconsciously absorbed them, though it's not impossible either. I dislike the look of them though and don't see the similarities.
Anyway I feel increasingly unsafe on this site. Here are some other places I am:
https://twitter.com/Inathefox
https://twitter.com/InafoxAD
https://bsky.app/profile/inafox.bsky.social
https://bsky.app/profile/inafoxad.bsky.social
https://weasyl.com/submissions/inafox
https://inkbunny.net/Inafox (IB being worst because the site's polluted with AI now)
Yeah I know... Not a lot of sites left for artists.
I've asked them now to circle this, and highlighted that at my current skill level if I was to use AI I would be able to avoid looking like such, considering my ink drawing is "below" my overall ability.
But no, just nebulous claims, e.g. they just decide that a random part of my stroke work is somehow "AI" even though the stroke work is clearly the same brush throughout.
I mean they did the same for other pieces, which had vector layers. And they backed down from that, because they couldn't really refute such.
But it seems like they're blaming the design now instead of artifacts. Meaning they're acting like AI can claim all art styles "between" existing ones are now AI.
Like they're acting like AI is some kind of super-artist that can copyright all interpolations of existent styles before they exist.
I'm still waiting for them to "show" what exactly is "AI" that they feel my design work looks like.
But then the pro-AI trolls who banned me from their AI-filled server and accused this same piece as being "AI" literally said the same and wouldn't prove it.
I don't like the attitude that says AI has a style, because AI copies from artists. The most creative thing AI can do is re-skin and interpolate using the time-expensively crafted paintwork from other images.
The point to which AI interpolates between two styles is not indifferent from when an artist references two different styles, as well.
I'm very much doubting FA can find anything similar before my art was made. The problem with their system is the lack of objectivity, removing AI is a good thing; just removing images blaming them as AI isn't.
I want to know the AI model, the prompt, the images, and ideally the training sources.
As for all they know if there was an AI model that looked remotely similar, it's either a) copied my existent work, or b) others' art I've subconsciously absorbed.
I tend to avoid AI images so I'm pretty sure I haven't subconsciously absorbed them, though it's not impossible either. I dislike the look of them though and don't see the similarities.
Anyway I feel increasingly unsafe on this site. Here are some other places I am:
https://twitter.com/Inathefox
https://twitter.com/InafoxAD
https://bsky.app/profile/inafox.bsky.social
https://bsky.app/profile/inafoxad.bsky.social
https://weasyl.com/submissions/inafox
https://inkbunny.net/Inafox (IB being worst because the site's polluted with AI now)
Yeah I know... Not a lot of sites left for artists.
Presumably you work with layers for different elements and effects, showing that aspect of the work would be an effective tool at dispelling any clam of you utilizing AI generation to produce your work.
Hopefully this is a helpful comment, sorry to hear you're going through this. But you do very much do good work, so don't be disheartened.
that's disappointing.
Considering AI steals from artists, saying that art looks like AI and not the other way around makes no sense.
Like say how can they determine if someone traced what the AI stole from? It's a false claim to say AI is an author of a style and not humans it takes from.
So tracing AI is a moot point because that'd just be indirectly tracing existing art, and then it'd make it doesn't look like "AI" but rather like, well, art but someone else's.
Still waiting for them to show what exactly I'm supposed to have "traced". Because surely they should be able to get AI to reproduce the same style and effects they're accusing me of... taking from an AI? Also what's wilder is how "realistic" some of my other drawings on my non-furry acc are that they were accused of AI. I guess AI owns the rights to real objects, humans and animals, too, according to these people?
Issue atm I have is that my PC freezes the pen when I draw timelapses when the art is of a certain resolution and brush size. It makes drawing very annoying.
Plus having to draw in vectors then fix them like 100 times over because when I upscale the vector they are go all wonky and off-closure. That makes me spend 100x more time on the lines than I usually do. I've been looking into other vector software like Moho but honestly it makes drawing even slower (though my reason was to get into 2D rigging).
Example vid (NSFW): https://twitter.com/InafoxAD/status.....75020268834887
It's probably not very clear because of how fast the CSP timelapse is, but you'll notice I have to transform the line curve a lot because of how bad CSP's vector system is.
Of course I could just draw at 1k and upscale the lines but then they'll all be pixelated/blurry and too thick for the paint work. Making a CSP timelapse at 16k, the resolution I have to be working at worked up to almost 2GB:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme.....8da4f22eef&
The last few inkings were `lower res (1k-2k) than my usual art as they were done on CSP mobile, mostly when I was in hospital (yes I drew yiff in hospital :P).
I don't even think my portable tablet would be able to handle it.
If people want to send me better hardware equipment that's better at recording, I don't mind that, but yeah not everyone has the best PC or lots of money.
The WIPs I've been currently posting on Twitter, etc, are because of this. I just never figured someone would call a ink drawing AI. It's a base in itself.
But overall FA seems to be accusing me of tracing judging from their last message, so they don't seem to even care about timelapses or layered files in general.
So I don't think in this case showing drawing ink drawings is very good proofing. I will though show WIPs for my paintings on Twitter, for exposure rather than "proofing".
I know that there's very advanced forms of tracing. Linear art is the easiest to fake as someone can literally just animate drawing lines by de-erasing them and moving them about, even on a single layer. Or using a tablet driver in-betweener with a vectorised line trace. So not only can people "trace" they can even fake the whole process of tracing.
There's also software that can "pretend" to stroke paint any given image, with layers even, so as long as it is separated ahead of time. These softwares are called autopainters, they're not even AI they use vectorised attention. It's only a matter of time before vector AI exists, however, that is completely indistinguishable from an artist painting to the non-artist eye.
It's been plenty done before the whole AI thing. See mods keep moving goalposts, on other sites I've been told my timelapses etc aren't enough. Accusing tracing without even showing what's allegedly being traced.
So yeah they're blaming my design as being "stolen" from an AI, not my artistic process. There's no way for any artist to "prove" they didn't fake art based on the various methods out there. Since FA aren't talking about the process nor its falsifiability, but rather the origin of the composition.
It's just literally impossible to prove anything under this moderation system, it's entirely based on ridicule of artistic design and quality.
FA mods seem to be experiencing the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon, where they are over-assessing things they usually wouldn't, but given a test where they had to evaluate AI images and non-AI images, they'd surely fail. Online tests have proven that, no one can "tell" if an image is AI if it's well done, and that's one excuse as to why C2PA exists to prevent AI fake news.
I'm not the only one, and it's not just FA:
https://twitter.com/search?q=accuse.....ick&f=live
That said, plenty of anti-AI sites don't have this problem. e621 was reasonable, Weasyl was, Side7, etc.
So yeah if they can randomly choose not accept WIPs or timelapses and just accuse my style preferences as looking like AI, what am I supposed to do?
They can't even point out what looks like AI. I could redraw the whole thing, but then they can just say I re-traced it. Since after all they're accusing me of tracing/partial edits.
'This piece of furry artwork is definitely eye-catching with its vibrant colours and detailed animation. It seems to capture the playful and sensual nature of foxes in a unique way that is both entertaining and erotic. The artist has done an excellent job of creating a fun and flirtatious atmosphere that draws the viewer into the action. Overall, this piece of digital art is a great example of high-quality furry content.'
Do you happen to talk like ChatGPT along with drawing like midjourney?
AI models mimicking art critics is a very recent thing. GPT copies humans, just like AI art models. Just because you are not cerebral doesn't mean that there aren't humans that are, it is typist and ableist.
I offer critique in various servers on Discord and have helped many artists. I am most definitely not a bot.
There are various videos of my art-making process and CSP files on my Patreon.
I feel artists are under-appreciated for what they do, especially since AI. They deserve to be invested with interest.
Nonetheless, it's vital for artists to project their project files from, say, AI and plagiarists in general. But admittedly the AI issue has made me post less due to depression from my art which takes months a time to make to be labelled slanderously as AI. This doesn't mean I'm not making more art just because I'm not posting, I have been working extensively in Blender, which accusers simply cannot call AI as there simply is no such thing as 3D AI (except perhaps hideous low-poly NeRFs).
I don't charge anything for my art, and Patreon is just where I charge for projects as I don't believe others should profit from the bulk of my hard work for free, even as a hobbyist. If you would like me to start posting more regularly, it would be interesting to here from you what kind of stuff you feel doesn't look like AI.
Animation refers to illusion of movement in images in general.
Text can also be described as possessing animation.
I am not embarrassing myself, and I do not see your point other than to criticise my communication style.
According to Google, ChatGPT's image to text function was released in late September-November 2023, meaning those comments were made prior to such technology. However these models cost a lot of money and there is no reason for me of all people to use them to appreciate and encourage artists, though it would be a nice gesture to use AI to encourage artists, it would be unauthentic.
You misunderstand what the term "animated" means in art.
Animeshon (anime) is also inclusive of static art, pre-dating motion pictures and refers to art that possesses which in asia is referred to as qi yun (animated movement).
For example in classical art:
"Old Peasant Dance," crafted by Peter Paul Rubens around 1636, is a genre painting embodying the Baroque movement. Executed in oil on board and measuring 73 x 106 cm, the artwork is currently housed in the Museo del Prado in Madrid. The artwork captures an animated rural scene where villagers are engaged in a lively dance, set against a backdrop of lush greenery and a rustic edifice, enmeshing the viewer in the exuberance and life of the period.
https://artchive.com/paintings-by-a.....er-paul-rubens
I hope this helps and I encourage you to not harass random users as libel/slander is both illegal and against the site's terms of service.
And hopefully they ban AI but don't falsely accuse of it.