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Arrival at Decaystation in the dust of a quarter century
... Quoting from my blog ...
This image packs quite an amount of history, not even just at toys. At the front a NoHAB locomotive might seem to move in across, but looking more closely, it's apparent that everything is covered by dust, the decay. These things are standing there still since at least eight years or probably even more. The trains are Tillig models (1/120), which were more affordable back then than the today more common H0 scale. Back then, but when? The U rails, and the old style coupler may give some clue, truly these are more than a quarter century old. I didn't mention the locomotive itself since it is common to release models from a past era - but this particular model was "current" when it was bought. These were manufactured in the GDR, and so the red five-pointed star faintly visible on the front of the loco is how the real thing looked like those days. It is interesting to note that this particular unit (M61-019) is still in service at track maintenance even though it is more than fifty years old. In total six remained operable from the twenty came to Hungary around 1960. As of today M61-001, M61-010, M61-017 and M61-020 have a paint job similar to the original, and M61-006 and M61-019 retained the orange exterior. The organization operating M61-010 also has M61-002 in inoperable condition. A third of the M61-004 locomotive also remained exposed in front of the Museum of Traffic which was originally planned to be preserved, but suffered a serious accident in 1998. Recently a private company also brought in a similar locomotive from Denmark which is referred to as M61-021.
Well, maybe that was even more on that locomotive than one would want to absorb all of a sudden, just for interest. So let's drift away a bit from trains, and take some deeper look at the image. You also see some little cars which fit well to the scale: These simple plastic things were manufactured in Hungary as far as an engraving on the bottom tells (Reading "Pici" which means "little", in Hungarian). These also came from before the system change, simple things, but maybe I am the only one having a few (four) of these to this day.
Looking even farther you would see lamp-posts, obviously some arcane hackery (the poles themselves are pencil ink tubes), and behind in the far is that huge shape of some dog - or cheetah (At least I intended it to resemble a cheetah). It's not of the Danish LEGO. It's from the GDR again, and it was called PeBe, a rather shoddy LEGO imitation for the socialist block. Shoddy, but I liked it a lot, actually even more than the real thing which I happened to get later! What was good about it? It was simple, and there were a lot of bricks. Just a few types, but in a huge box. No manuals came with them, it was even distributed in simple nylon sacks without any description. You were left to your imagination, and you missed nothing if the bricks eventually worn out and broke. Long trains, trucks, and even articulated buses (The "articulation" cut out and fold of paper) were some of the favourite subjects. Eventually the bricks started to need some handicap to stick together which quickly bred paper shreds in the box used for this purpose. I still remember how happy I was to get "back" a nice sack of "fine" quality bricks a day when my parents emptied the attic finding this pack of bricks discarded for sticking together too poorly (back then - not that they got any better, but compared to how I managed to wear these out, they felt fine new brick when found!). That cheetah is the last thing built, and probably will be ever built of PeBe, sometime around ten or more years ago. Another bricks from the wall vanished, came to be just a memory.
... Quoting from my blog ...
This image packs quite an amount of history, not even just at toys. At the front a NoHAB locomotive might seem to move in across, but looking more closely, it's apparent that everything is covered by dust, the decay. These things are standing there still since at least eight years or probably even more. The trains are Tillig models (1/120), which were more affordable back then than the today more common H0 scale. Back then, but when? The U rails, and the old style coupler may give some clue, truly these are more than a quarter century old. I didn't mention the locomotive itself since it is common to release models from a past era - but this particular model was "current" when it was bought. These were manufactured in the GDR, and so the red five-pointed star faintly visible on the front of the loco is how the real thing looked like those days. It is interesting to note that this particular unit (M61-019) is still in service at track maintenance even though it is more than fifty years old. In total six remained operable from the twenty came to Hungary around 1960. As of today M61-001, M61-010, M61-017 and M61-020 have a paint job similar to the original, and M61-006 and M61-019 retained the orange exterior. The organization operating M61-010 also has M61-002 in inoperable condition. A third of the M61-004 locomotive also remained exposed in front of the Museum of Traffic which was originally planned to be preserved, but suffered a serious accident in 1998. Recently a private company also brought in a similar locomotive from Denmark which is referred to as M61-021.
Well, maybe that was even more on that locomotive than one would want to absorb all of a sudden, just for interest. So let's drift away a bit from trains, and take some deeper look at the image. You also see some little cars which fit well to the scale: These simple plastic things were manufactured in Hungary as far as an engraving on the bottom tells (Reading "Pici" which means "little", in Hungarian). These also came from before the system change, simple things, but maybe I am the only one having a few (four) of these to this day.
Looking even farther you would see lamp-posts, obviously some arcane hackery (the poles themselves are pencil ink tubes), and behind in the far is that huge shape of some dog - or cheetah (At least I intended it to resemble a cheetah). It's not of the Danish LEGO. It's from the GDR again, and it was called PeBe, a rather shoddy LEGO imitation for the socialist block. Shoddy, but I liked it a lot, actually even more than the real thing which I happened to get later! What was good about it? It was simple, and there were a lot of bricks. Just a few types, but in a huge box. No manuals came with them, it was even distributed in simple nylon sacks without any description. You were left to your imagination, and you missed nothing if the bricks eventually worn out and broke. Long trains, trucks, and even articulated buses (The "articulation" cut out and fold of paper) were some of the favourite subjects. Eventually the bricks started to need some handicap to stick together which quickly bred paper shreds in the box used for this purpose. I still remember how happy I was to get "back" a nice sack of "fine" quality bricks a day when my parents emptied the attic finding this pack of bricks discarded for sticking together too poorly (back then - not that they got any better, but compared to how I managed to wear these out, they felt fine new brick when found!). That cheetah is the last thing built, and probably will be ever built of PeBe, sometime around ten or more years ago. Another bricks from the wall vanished, came to be just a memory.
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Heh, far from "nice" here, old, certainly, but rather worn and beaten up! (The other end of it is even badly fractured, and there is a nice bend in the mainframe) Last time when I did anything important with these I tried to work on the bogies: the front end of the loco on the original 80's Tillig model is attached to the bogie to make coupling functioning properly in small radius curves. Here some experimental design is up: on this end, with some pieces of plastic (for filling the gap) I attached the part to the chassis, and led the coupler underneath it. On the other end I left a cut on the front of the chassis for the coupler to go through still attached to the bogie. As I remember both solutions seemed to work somewhat acceptably, leading underneath would only cause trouble on some very crappy turnouts, while the other solution even if repainted would still be ugly for the gap.
How come you drive the M61-006 in MSTS? I mean how exactly you got to figure that you would like to try this Hungarian loco when these were common in several countries of Europe?
In Hungary there were only twenty of them, not more as later the Soviet industry was ready with it's own six-axle solution, that diesel loco which came to Hungary as M62 ("Szergely" - "Sergei"), but was very common all around in the Eastern bloc. Engineers here liked the NoHAB's a lot more as their construction and reliability was just better than the Russian loco even though that was designed later.
The NoHABs were withdrawn from passenger service (they served on the northern shore of Lake Balaton in their last fifteen or so years) in 2000. They were planned to be scrapped, but finally none of the still existing locomotives were destroyed then, six are still in operation as I mentioned, and a seventh (M61-002) is sitting at that organization in inoperable condition, but it was already inoperable (parts salvaged for the other locos) when they were withdrawn. The last cutting up of an M61 happened in 1999 (I mistyped above, it happened in this year) when the mentioned crashed M61-004 was partially dismantled: it was beyond repair as it's mainframe severely bent in the accident.
That M61-006 unit you drive in MSTS on our rails assists the recent major track reconstructions, most commonly it may be seen on the front of crushed stone trains for ballast and various other track construction equipments.
If interested in some realistic services, you may pick either of the M61 locos and going back to the 90s, you may try some passenger trains on the northern side of Balaton. In the 90s all were orange except 004 which was the first repainted to it's original colour scheme, and did passenger service for some years before the accident. Before the withdrawal 001, 010 and 020 also got back their original striped exterior, so they also did some regular trains (I can't remember exactly though, one or another of these might have not happened to occur in regular service after the repainting). 017 was acquired by track maintenance earlier, and was only repainted in the refurbishing associated to preparing it to this service.
After the withdrawal, you may run 001 or 020 with nostalgia passenger trains as they usually do these, but you may use any of them with track maintenance related trains. 010 was brought back to life slowly, it only got license recently. 017 also does some passenger service with special trains, notably each year it goes to Csiksomlyo (Transylvania), although in Romania it is usually assisted by an electric engine.
If you like to go back in time, you may use these locomotives on any modelled mainlines of the 60s - 70s which were not electrified to that date. Initially they had their striped exterior, later all were repainted orange.
Just if you were interested in these ;)
How come you drive the M61-006 in MSTS? I mean how exactly you got to figure that you would like to try this Hungarian loco when these were common in several countries of Europe?
In Hungary there were only twenty of them, not more as later the Soviet industry was ready with it's own six-axle solution, that diesel loco which came to Hungary as M62 ("Szergely" - "Sergei"), but was very common all around in the Eastern bloc. Engineers here liked the NoHAB's a lot more as their construction and reliability was just better than the Russian loco even though that was designed later.
The NoHABs were withdrawn from passenger service (they served on the northern shore of Lake Balaton in their last fifteen or so years) in 2000. They were planned to be scrapped, but finally none of the still existing locomotives were destroyed then, six are still in operation as I mentioned, and a seventh (M61-002) is sitting at that organization in inoperable condition, but it was already inoperable (parts salvaged for the other locos) when they were withdrawn. The last cutting up of an M61 happened in 1999 (I mistyped above, it happened in this year) when the mentioned crashed M61-004 was partially dismantled: it was beyond repair as it's mainframe severely bent in the accident.
That M61-006 unit you drive in MSTS on our rails assists the recent major track reconstructions, most commonly it may be seen on the front of crushed stone trains for ballast and various other track construction equipments.
If interested in some realistic services, you may pick either of the M61 locos and going back to the 90s, you may try some passenger trains on the northern side of Balaton. In the 90s all were orange except 004 which was the first repainted to it's original colour scheme, and did passenger service for some years before the accident. Before the withdrawal 001, 010 and 020 also got back their original striped exterior, so they also did some regular trains (I can't remember exactly though, one or another of these might have not happened to occur in regular service after the repainting). 017 was acquired by track maintenance earlier, and was only repainted in the refurbishing associated to preparing it to this service.
After the withdrawal, you may run 001 or 020 with nostalgia passenger trains as they usually do these, but you may use any of them with track maintenance related trains. 010 was brought back to life slowly, it only got license recently. 017 also does some passenger service with special trains, notably each year it goes to Csiksomlyo (Transylvania), although in Romania it is usually assisted by an electric engine.
If you like to go back in time, you may use these locomotives on any modelled mainlines of the 60s - 70s which were not electrified to that date. Initially they had their striped exterior, later all were repainted orange.
Just if you were interested in these ;)
Well, even if old and worn, it is nice to see a model of one.
I have seen a few photos of models of these online, but, none this old.
It seems to be somewhat difficult to find models of locomotives from eastern Europe from what I've been seeing, but, that might just be because I live in the states.
My introduction to the M61 and other Hungarian locomotives started out on FA, interestingly enough. :)
I made friends with a fur from Hungary that was interested in MSTS.
The first Hungarian locomotive I had experience with, was actually the V63-004 "Gigant", as my friend wanted me to test it out.
I liked what I saw when I had driven that locomotive, so, I started looking for others. Eventually enjoying operating a V43, M62, and eventually the M61-006.
Though I had seen several photos in the past of NoHab locomotives operating for the DSB, they didn't really interest me. However, seeing one in MAV colors, and having the pretty Jászkisér-Nagybereg 3.0 route to operate it on, it made me much more interested in the MoHab locomotives.
Your information on the MoHabs is good to know.
While I have seen a number of photos of them, and MSTS models of most of the 20, its nice to know the history behind them.
On Jászkisér-Nagybereg 3.0, and Dél-Dunántúl 2.0, I was using M61-006 to pull blue MAV passenger trains, in MAV orange. However, since reading what you have written, I will have it pulling some ballast cars as well.
If all goes well, I'm also hoping to run the locomotives you mentioned on the Balaton-Dél route. (Haven't installed the route yet, but have the locomotive models.)
Thank you for your information. :)
I have seen a few photos of models of these online, but, none this old.
It seems to be somewhat difficult to find models of locomotives from eastern Europe from what I've been seeing, but, that might just be because I live in the states.
My introduction to the M61 and other Hungarian locomotives started out on FA, interestingly enough. :)
I made friends with a fur from Hungary that was interested in MSTS.
The first Hungarian locomotive I had experience with, was actually the V63-004 "Gigant", as my friend wanted me to test it out.
I liked what I saw when I had driven that locomotive, so, I started looking for others. Eventually enjoying operating a V43, M62, and eventually the M61-006.
Though I had seen several photos in the past of NoHab locomotives operating for the DSB, they didn't really interest me. However, seeing one in MAV colors, and having the pretty Jászkisér-Nagybereg 3.0 route to operate it on, it made me much more interested in the MoHab locomotives.
Your information on the MoHabs is good to know.
While I have seen a number of photos of them, and MSTS models of most of the 20, its nice to know the history behind them.
On Jászkisér-Nagybereg 3.0, and Dél-Dunántúl 2.0, I was using M61-006 to pull blue MAV passenger trains, in MAV orange. However, since reading what you have written, I will have it pulling some ballast cars as well.
If all goes well, I'm also hoping to run the locomotives you mentioned on the Balaton-Dél route. (Haven't installed the route yet, but have the locomotive models.)
Thank you for your information. :)
That's Icefoxy I guess :)
Be careful, "Balaton-Dél" is electrified, there the usual traction is either a V43 or a V63. Diesel engines are not too common there. The northern shore of Balaton would be more interesting if it is available :). I looked around somewhat, and noticed a route pack "Alföld 6.0" is supposed to exist which contains a lot of lines from the east of Hungary including branch lines - that could give an opportunity for some interesting acts.
If you are interested, some other more or less less typical, but characteristic vehicles on Hungary's rails are / were:
"Bzmot". This little red diesel unit is the most common one serving the Hungarian countryside, they are like vital for any real serious branch line setting. They may go alone, or pull one or two carriages. Two of the engines may work in tandem with up to four carriages (I heard that three engines may also cooperate, but such large units are never assembled in the practice). The most common configurations are a lone engine, one or two carriages, sometimes two engines sandwiching a single carriage (for lines where it's problematic to go around on the terminal), and on a few lines they might also go in two engine plus two, or rarely three carriage configurations. Their driver cabin is very small (For true feel of the thing, sandwich yourself between a wall and the computer when driving it :D).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dpista/6277714306/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sludge.....er/3249686080/
"MDmot". These units were withdrawn a few years ago, but they still operated fifteen years past their original planned life. They were the workhorses for large traffic branch lines, especially ones in crappy conditions as they were designed to be very light. Sometimes they also occurred in fast train services, especially between Szeged and Pécs, where line 64 spanning from Pécs to Bátaszék (closed in 1998) was a nice scenic part of the route (if there is any model of this line, get it :) ). An interesting feature of this unit is that it is not diesel-electric, that is the diesel engine drives the axles directly through transmission. The control car also has a diesel engine driving a generator for electric heating (so it may look interesting that both end of the unit emits smoke).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gadam91/5311356969/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/423094.....03/8134075759/
"M40". These diesel engines were used for both passenger and freight services (they are still in operation, but get rarer every year). A typical line for them in passenger service was Hatvan - Somoskőújfalu in the early 2000s.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinter.....mi/5860734979/
For some historical passenger operations you may also try "BBmot"s or "ABBmot"s, these units operated before the 90s. The driven bogie had three axles, and the diesel engine was sitting on the bogie itself, and on the driven end, the engineer then almost like sat on top of that (Just imagine that noise!). They were capable to haul three four axle passenger coaches, and two were capable to work in tandem (to form a train of up to eight units). They worked on both branch lines and main lines (before the MDmots they were also used for the aforementioned Szeged - Pécs fast trains). After their withdrawal a few of them kept operating in track maintenance, some as service cars, and from two and a passenger coach a special measurement train was built.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/423094.....03/4330011430/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/423094.....03/4329271837/
Be careful, "Balaton-Dél" is electrified, there the usual traction is either a V43 or a V63. Diesel engines are not too common there. The northern shore of Balaton would be more interesting if it is available :). I looked around somewhat, and noticed a route pack "Alföld 6.0" is supposed to exist which contains a lot of lines from the east of Hungary including branch lines - that could give an opportunity for some interesting acts.
If you are interested, some other more or less less typical, but characteristic vehicles on Hungary's rails are / were:
"Bzmot". This little red diesel unit is the most common one serving the Hungarian countryside, they are like vital for any real serious branch line setting. They may go alone, or pull one or two carriages. Two of the engines may work in tandem with up to four carriages (I heard that three engines may also cooperate, but such large units are never assembled in the practice). The most common configurations are a lone engine, one or two carriages, sometimes two engines sandwiching a single carriage (for lines where it's problematic to go around on the terminal), and on a few lines they might also go in two engine plus two, or rarely three carriage configurations. Their driver cabin is very small (For true feel of the thing, sandwich yourself between a wall and the computer when driving it :D).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dpista/6277714306/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sludge.....er/3249686080/
"MDmot". These units were withdrawn a few years ago, but they still operated fifteen years past their original planned life. They were the workhorses for large traffic branch lines, especially ones in crappy conditions as they were designed to be very light. Sometimes they also occurred in fast train services, especially between Szeged and Pécs, where line 64 spanning from Pécs to Bátaszék (closed in 1998) was a nice scenic part of the route (if there is any model of this line, get it :) ). An interesting feature of this unit is that it is not diesel-electric, that is the diesel engine drives the axles directly through transmission. The control car also has a diesel engine driving a generator for electric heating (so it may look interesting that both end of the unit emits smoke).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gadam91/5311356969/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/423094.....03/8134075759/
"M40". These diesel engines were used for both passenger and freight services (they are still in operation, but get rarer every year). A typical line for them in passenger service was Hatvan - Somoskőújfalu in the early 2000s.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinter.....mi/5860734979/
For some historical passenger operations you may also try "BBmot"s or "ABBmot"s, these units operated before the 90s. The driven bogie had three axles, and the diesel engine was sitting on the bogie itself, and on the driven end, the engineer then almost like sat on top of that (Just imagine that noise!). They were capable to haul three four axle passenger coaches, and two were capable to work in tandem (to form a train of up to eight units). They worked on both branch lines and main lines (before the MDmots they were also used for the aforementioned Szeged - Pécs fast trains). After their withdrawal a few of them kept operating in track maintenance, some as service cars, and from two and a passenger coach a special measurement train was built.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/423094.....03/4330011430/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/423094.....03/4329271837/
Yeah, pretty much. :)
He introduced me to your railways there.
I know. I think both types look nice there, but, yes, it feels more like an electric line. I will see if I can find the northern shore. :)
Would you be able to tell me where you found the Alföld line? I tried to download it recently, but kept getting 404 messages.
*nods* I have seen a fair number of photos of Bzmot's in that setting. On a Hungarian station site I checked out the other day, there seemed to be one a Bzmot at most of them at least once.
xD I can simulate the cab properly to an extent here. My bed is directly behind my computer, so, I have an idea of what that is like.
I will be looking for that line for MSTS. :)
I just learned about the generator cars today actually. Interesting how they work.
I am somewhat familiar with the first few units from the acthu packs that contain them, but, the BBmot's and ABBmot's are new to me. They look older to me.
Did MAV have problems with people throwing objects at the trains? The BBmot's and 1980s V43s have bars on their cabs, so, I'm kind of curious about why they started adding them.
Thank you for sharing your information and photos. :)
He introduced me to your railways there.
I know. I think both types look nice there, but, yes, it feels more like an electric line. I will see if I can find the northern shore. :)
Would you be able to tell me where you found the Alföld line? I tried to download it recently, but kept getting 404 messages.
*nods* I have seen a fair number of photos of Bzmot's in that setting. On a Hungarian station site I checked out the other day, there seemed to be one a Bzmot at most of them at least once.
xD I can simulate the cab properly to an extent here. My bed is directly behind my computer, so, I have an idea of what that is like.
I will be looking for that line for MSTS. :)
I just learned about the generator cars today actually. Interesting how they work.
I am somewhat familiar with the first few units from the acthu packs that contain them, but, the BBmot's and ABBmot's are new to me. They look older to me.
Did MAV have problems with people throwing objects at the trains? The BBmot's and 1980s V43s have bars on their cabs, so, I'm kind of curious about why they started adding them.
Thank you for sharing your information and photos. :)
I took a bit deeper dive in attempting to find the Alföld package. I think this is a good location:
http://www.simtreni.com/download/in.....x.php?subcat=7
Note that apparently they cut up the downloads in multiple parts, so you will have to grab all parts: they are at the "FILES SUPPLEMENTARI" list. The site also shows the dependencies of the packages, so hopefully you can get it install all nice.
When it is up, I think you should probably try some act on Line 142 (Budapest - Lajosmizse - Kecskemét). Not just that I travel on this line frequently, but for one part it sums up nicely: you get to see mainlines in Budapest, then branch off to this diesel line, cross a tramway, go through Budapest's suburbs, and finally you are out in the country. This line is also visited frequently by nostalgia trains, so you could even pick some steam engine, a NoHAB, or an ABBmot/BBmot for a trip. For regular service you can pick a single Bzmot for a route between Kecskemét and Lajosmizse. Between Budapest and Lajosmizse, the usual fare is a single or double Siemens Desiro, or an M41 with three passenger coaches (Bhv, blue or renewed with red line) plus a control car (control car always facing towards Budapest, it is always the old blue variant as the new variant only exists for V43s). In the past I had even seen MDmots on this line, although that was probably rare.
Yes, the BB/ABBmots are old, they were introduced in the 50s, and operated in regular service to the end of the 80s. I just mentioned them since people tend to just pass over these favouring larger hardware (like NoHABs or 424 steam engines) while these were also a characteristic and successful part of rail history here.
Problems with little brats thinking it's a good joke to throw in train windows existed and exist, however the "prison Szili" (that was the nickname on the barred V43) was not for this. In the past safety glass did not exist, so anything larger like branches or pheasants hit would explode the window in nasty shrapnel in the face of the driver. The bars were installed to prevent this happening (however they were also a nuisance to drivers as especially in fog they were told to be very distracting and tiresome), and lasted only until proper safety glasses were equipped on the engines. The ABB/BBmots kept their bars as those originally never had safety glasses, so even if the preserved units nowadays run with those, for keeping them authentic, they also have the bars just like how they ran for their entire operating life.
Some other routes on Alföld you may try, and with what to try:
Line 145, 146: These lines operate "crossed", that is regular service goes between Kecskemét - Lakitelek - Szolnok and Kiskunfélegyháza - Lakitelek - Kunszentmárton. In the 90s these lines usually were served with MDmots, then Bzmots (in my previous post that six unit Bzmot train is descending from Tisza bridge on this line, probably it jumped in instead of a broken MDmot then), and nowadays with Bpmots (http://worldofrailways.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=1511 this picture is however from Line 135).
Line 135 between Szeged and Békéscsaba is a more important branchline (it is planned to be made a part of a southern main line since decades). The passenger service on this line usually consists M41s with blue Bhvs and similar carriages (red striped renewed Bhv's only serve lines originating from Budapest), or Bpmots.
Line 101 between Püspökladány and Biharkeresztes is a diesel main line where fast trains are mostly served by M41's and usually three fast train coaches (blue with white line), slow trains are mostly Bzmots, sometimes "interpici" (renewed) Bzmots. In the past international trains to Romania also operated on this line with Romanian coaches, I even remember once I got to travel there being pulled by a CFR BR232.
Thanks for the interest in this stuff ;)
http://www.simtreni.com/download/in.....x.php?subcat=7
Note that apparently they cut up the downloads in multiple parts, so you will have to grab all parts: they are at the "FILES SUPPLEMENTARI" list. The site also shows the dependencies of the packages, so hopefully you can get it install all nice.
When it is up, I think you should probably try some act on Line 142 (Budapest - Lajosmizse - Kecskemét). Not just that I travel on this line frequently, but for one part it sums up nicely: you get to see mainlines in Budapest, then branch off to this diesel line, cross a tramway, go through Budapest's suburbs, and finally you are out in the country. This line is also visited frequently by nostalgia trains, so you could even pick some steam engine, a NoHAB, or an ABBmot/BBmot for a trip. For regular service you can pick a single Bzmot for a route between Kecskemét and Lajosmizse. Between Budapest and Lajosmizse, the usual fare is a single or double Siemens Desiro, or an M41 with three passenger coaches (Bhv, blue or renewed with red line) plus a control car (control car always facing towards Budapest, it is always the old blue variant as the new variant only exists for V43s). In the past I had even seen MDmots on this line, although that was probably rare.
Yes, the BB/ABBmots are old, they were introduced in the 50s, and operated in regular service to the end of the 80s. I just mentioned them since people tend to just pass over these favouring larger hardware (like NoHABs or 424 steam engines) while these were also a characteristic and successful part of rail history here.
Problems with little brats thinking it's a good joke to throw in train windows existed and exist, however the "prison Szili" (that was the nickname on the barred V43) was not for this. In the past safety glass did not exist, so anything larger like branches or pheasants hit would explode the window in nasty shrapnel in the face of the driver. The bars were installed to prevent this happening (however they were also a nuisance to drivers as especially in fog they were told to be very distracting and tiresome), and lasted only until proper safety glasses were equipped on the engines. The ABB/BBmots kept their bars as those originally never had safety glasses, so even if the preserved units nowadays run with those, for keeping them authentic, they also have the bars just like how they ran for their entire operating life.
Some other routes on Alföld you may try, and with what to try:
Line 145, 146: These lines operate "crossed", that is regular service goes between Kecskemét - Lakitelek - Szolnok and Kiskunfélegyháza - Lakitelek - Kunszentmárton. In the 90s these lines usually were served with MDmots, then Bzmots (in my previous post that six unit Bzmot train is descending from Tisza bridge on this line, probably it jumped in instead of a broken MDmot then), and nowadays with Bpmots (http://worldofrailways.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=1511 this picture is however from Line 135).
Line 135 between Szeged and Békéscsaba is a more important branchline (it is planned to be made a part of a southern main line since decades). The passenger service on this line usually consists M41s with blue Bhvs and similar carriages (red striped renewed Bhv's only serve lines originating from Budapest), or Bpmots.
Line 101 between Püspökladány and Biharkeresztes is a diesel main line where fast trains are mostly served by M41's and usually three fast train coaches (blue with white line), slow trains are mostly Bzmots, sometimes "interpici" (renewed) Bzmots. In the past international trains to Romania also operated on this line with Romanian coaches, I even remember once I got to travel there being pulled by a CFR BR232.
Thanks for the interest in this stuff ;)
I'll see if I can figure that out sometime. It is supposed to be a good route from what I have read.
Its good to know where a good place to go is on that route, and what types of trains can be seen on these lines.
Between the information you, and icefoxy, have provided, and photos from the internet, I am starting to get a good idea of how to make realistic consists for MSTS. Knowing what goes where, is quite helpful. :)
I did find a model of one of the BB/ABBmots on one site actually. Its in the dark green paint.
I have yet to see one in the red, orange, or blue and yellow paint.
Ah, I see. They had the same problems with some passenger locomotives here in the states.
They have removed the bars from most of our locomotives here as well.
They make for an interesting look, but, yeah, they are distracting.
Pretty interesting stuff on Alfold.
I'll keep those trains in mind for out there.
You're welcome. :)
You have interesting trains there, and Hungary is an interesting place to me overall, as well.
Its good to know where a good place to go is on that route, and what types of trains can be seen on these lines.
Between the information you, and icefoxy, have provided, and photos from the internet, I am starting to get a good idea of how to make realistic consists for MSTS. Knowing what goes where, is quite helpful. :)
I did find a model of one of the BB/ABBmots on one site actually. Its in the dark green paint.
I have yet to see one in the red, orange, or blue and yellow paint.
Ah, I see. They had the same problems with some passenger locomotives here in the states.
They have removed the bars from most of our locomotives here as well.
They make for an interesting look, but, yeah, they are distracting.
Pretty interesting stuff on Alfold.
I'll keep those trains in mind for out there.
You're welcome. :)
You have interesting trains there, and Hungary is an interesting place to me overall, as well.
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