yeah this is going to pretty much kill the site

Kinda hope it does at this rate, what a damn insult.

January 16, 2005 - 12:05PM - FurAffinity launched.
January 16, 2005 - 12:26PM - Changes to TOS made.
January 16, 2005 - 12:26:30PM - "This is going to pretty much kill the site."

And yet, here we are.

It's May 19, 2023 - 14:02PM, and FurAffinity is still here, through hundreds of changes that everyone said were going to pretty much kill the site, and it's not only still here, it's thriving and growing every single day.

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10553034/

This is different, this targets a lot of people. If they dare call my friend Inno or Musk a "child" because of their species, I am gonna move to a different site.

I've been in the furry community since 1994. I've seen these changes come, and I've seen people leave, and eventually come back. They always come back. Why? Because this is where the people are. This is where the money is made.

Not saying you won't hold to your guns?

But 98% of the rest of the community who say they're going to leave this site will not hold to their guns, and will be back.

Because this is where the people are.

This is where the money is made.

I think the difference here is, a bunch of people won't be able to post anything because their art style is too cutesy. Or because their sona is an avali and avali are too "childlike". So they'll "hold to their guns" because they have no other choice; FA will no longer be a legitimate option for them.

They literally won't be able to go back to the site because of their artstyle or characters, what are you going on about?

This is not where people are, this is not where money is made. People are on e621, that is how people find your art. Furaffinity sucks terribly in that regard. It is up to artists, especially bigger ones, to move away from it for the comissions, ych, etc.
And this time, a LOT of artists AND users, including ones with large followings, are hit.
Besides, they quite literally cannot go back.

How the fuck am I going to make money if I’m not allowed to post my art here

I've seen more and more people leaving during the past couple years, or stop updating their galleries here. Despite Twitter being fucking terrible as a proper art gallery, all of the artists prefer posting there than HERE. Newer artists don't even post here, only on Twitter. That should speak volumes to you.

But despite all that, FA still has a sizable/respectable userbase, that is true.

There probably won't be a mass exodus, but the website will keep slowly bleeding out respectable artists as it's been doing for the past couple of years. Death by a thousand cuts as I call it. So if I was them, I wouldn't get too cocky.

Some 60% to 90% of artists on this platform will no longer be allowed to post here any more, all due to how they learned to draw anatomy and what their art style looks like. FA as a whole may not die entirely at least right away, but it's about to massively downscale... both because some will leave in frustration while many who won't will literally be wiped out by the mods once this goes into effect.

You're damn right, youngster.

Now go fetch me my slippers!

*looks at your profile*

Ah.

Well, be sure to not let the door hit you in the ass on your way back to Kiwi Farms. You deserve each other.

Anyone ever tell you that you're a pretentious prick?

Anyone ever tell you why anyone should give a fuck what you think?

I'll take that as a, "yes, which is why I'll die alone"

When you're so high up that you can't see the ground anymore, you do tend to lose touch with reality. In this case, the reality of the site and the people using it. And people who do nothing but complain often do so louder than people who've been ignored for 10 years.

At the same time, rape, snuff, gore, totally okay!

A hypocrite of the highest level.

Yeah...
It kind of always bothered me when I came across things like torture on the homepage when I log in. Also, why is there no blacklist feature?

PAY MORE MONEY!

And it might come one day, in like, maybe... 20 years.

God you made me look at the wiki and "content filtering" has been on there since Nov 2006, it's almost been 17 years. But hey it took them 12 years to figure out what CSS is so I can't say I'm surprised.

Actually, hilarious addendum to this comment. I just went back to the old post that talked about content filtering and...
In the near future we will implement a series of filters to allow people to block and exclude art of all content types, giving them better control of how they use the Fur Affinity service.

That is so funny. Also the link is on the waybackmachine at http://web.archive.org/web/20150821.....Notice-Cub-Art

Thanks for this, gives a lot of insight into how this site has changed. Or rather, how little has changed.

> But hey it took them 12 years to figure out what CSS is

They still haven't figured it out, half of the screens are still barely usable on mobile. Even less than before.

I will say, as somebody who draws such content from time to time, I can tell you that I've tried for years to get custom thumbnails to work and they just... don't anymore. They used to, like 10 years ago, but yeah. I'm sorry that this site is like this. Honestly, I wish for an alternative also, but I also want to express myself and be seen, and this is the only place I really feel like I can do it.

That's fair.
I'm personally not too big into content like that and wish I had a way to filter it, but you should totally still feel ok to post stuff like that regardless. No judgement from me. : )

I've noticed that western thinking is really skewed like that. Extreme violence is okay, but anything involving sexual discussion and everybody gets all hush and offended.

Personally I'd think fictional sex is a little more acceptable than fictional violence, but that's just me...

Because its more convenient to find fictional sex and treat it as if it were as bad as real, bad, sexual assault and the like. They get to point at a drawing and then act like they saved a real person, while doing nothing to help any real people, because that'd be difficult, and they're just in it to feel better about themselves.

Yeah, that's...a pretty accurate take. Making a real and positive difference in the world takes a lot of effort.

By your skewed, American definition of "West", you mean your country, or the entire western civilization? Because my country is also part of the west and doesn't have many of the most dumbest things the Americans do at daily basis.

Hi, I actually live in Canada now and have for about 4 years. Used to be in America, but I moved out for numerous reasons, including that I also think America is an extremely dumb country. I was NEVER a nationalist with America. I never stood behind what America did, and does.

But to define my definition of western better, I meant the western world. Which itself is not a very well-defined term, I admit, but I didn't think it would be that big a deal to anyone.

I'd appreciate you not making random assumptions about me. Sounds like you have a lot of hatred for Americans, but you really targeted the wrong person if that's your angle.

I wouldn't say it's just western countries. Think about Japan and their weird selective censorship when it comes to porn, such as requiring some sort of censor bar somewhere. They're selective in different ways, but it's still a form of strange prudishness about sex.

The weird part for Asian countries is how little, comparatively, they have in censorship toward actual underage material, particularly high school girls.

That's very true. I think the attitude is just different over there, though. Like, the laws have clear loopholes with that censorship over there; it's almost expected to do so, and it robs the whole point of the law. I wouldn't say this system is at all better, just...different. It's weird, they seem less and more prudish about sex at the same time. I still think there's generally more freedom of sexual expression in fiction in places like Japan, even if that comes with the asterisk of 'but you gotta put little black bars everywhere'.

...I dunno. I just think I'd prefer weird censorship rules over the mess that we see with FA and other places. Lesser of two evils. For all its absurdity, the Japanese censor thing seems to be a pretty well-established formula that everyone understands and works within without too much trouble.

The latter point is true though. I take issues with Japan due to my feelings that there is a lot of female objectification in the media, like disproportionally-skewed, and I don't know if that's healthy considering how prevalent it is.

Honestly, yeah..

I don't get the mentality. People treat cub likely it's the slipperiest slope there is, but all the while prop up other equally criminal stuff as absolutely fine under the guise that it's just art. If everyone got to purge the art they found distasteful, there'd be no art.

Hell, if we judge all rendered fictional porn by real life standards, like 60% or so of all perfectly accepted suggestive and NSFW furry art counts as at least sexual harassment by how forthcoming and invasive characters tend to be.

Art showing slavery / snuff / gore / rape / torture: Hey it's a free country!
Art showing alien cubs have conventional sex in a sunshiny meadow: Heavens no this is what hell looks like!

This is the part that gets me the most and why I think it's a stupid change that does indeed reek of self-righteous hypocrisy. They consider this stuff "wrong" because its porn depicting fictional minors, but porn depicting other fictional "wrong" things like violence/rape/bestiality/etc is still allowed here, *encouraged* even.

Apparently the owner and admins are very selective of what counts as "thought crime" and what they're okay with leaving up, likely because they're into the "icky" stuff they won't ever ban, but hate the other "icky" stuff so much they'll find any excuse to get rid of it (case in point) even to the determent of artists or content.

All this and they still had the audacity to include a link to the crummy subscription service at the end of the announcement, like the news of them being frothing censorship hounds is supposed to be a selling point.

Most of the people who got their hands on FA's admin controls for reasons I can't quite comprehend no longer care about reality: They only care about their activism and using anything they control as leverage for their social / political ideology. Furaffinity may as well shut down the gallery and convert to an NGO: They're trying to run an art site thinking it's an organization like BLM / ANTIFA.

"These changes were well-received, and based upon additional feedback from our community"
Idk what community that is but I guess I'm not part of it since no one asked me anything about it. I never paid for FA, but if you have FA+ and was not consulted about that either my only guess is that the "community" is the Twitter freaks ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A bunch of my drawings are extremely ambiguous and up to interpretation on what "kid proportions" even means. They said they would accept tickets to analyze the cases, good luck looking at half of my gallery xD

Seriously tho, that's so bullshit. Guess next time I draw a yordle with a beard and muscles I'll have to post it on Inkbunny...

Many Pokemon, Koopas from Mario, fucking Yoshi, are considered children to FA.

What an actual joke.

Hell, given that their metric for who's a child is basically "short, big eyes/cute appearance, small tits", I can't wait for everyone who's ever drawn a source-accurate Lopunny, Retsuko, Isabelle, Judy Hopps or Midna on this site to get assblasted by the staff.

you draw cub though so i have no sympathy. cya

"These changes were well received. So well received in fact, we had to disable comments on the journal announcing them first thing, we just couldn't handle all the messages of love that would pour in if we didn't!"

All staff announcements have disabled comments tho.

This is late, but they didn't use to be be. I can understand they may have performance and spam issues after a while, but shutting them down straight off suggests they no longer want feedback on the site.

Its is a waste of time. They should be updating their site improving it( like delivering on the name change and other features they have been promising us for YEARS) instead of hassling people for art styles they don't like or catering to those who do the same.

It is truly a complete waste.

I'm willing to bet it's a cover your ass measure that is hardly ever enforced.

Nope.

https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10553034/

Koopas and Yoshis are all considered children to FA no matter what. Same with a lot of Pokemon.

Many sites have done this CYOA measures. It's basically exactly this. They can throw users under the bus to deflect hate directed towards them, now.

The internet hate culture has really gotten out of hand. What we need are people willing to just put their foot down and not bend to their rants, but instead we see people bend to it.

Unfortunately, this stuff is enforced. Many, many sites have taken to unfair moderation thanks to these motivations. I see no reason why FA would be any different.

Exactly

Yeah, this update MAKES NO SENSE

https://twitter.com/official_mavel/.....946589696?s=20

This tweet sums it up.

It sure does.

I hope that they will do something more helping on that problem than just banning all stuff that is actually okay. I mean… yeah, they doing all stuff in a wrong way

In a really, really, really stupid way.

Want to join me in cancelling FA+?

I never subscribed to it, but a while ago I bought ADs. and now I see my mistakes…

yeah, I think my imp is going to be an issue, oh well. Ive been active worshiping feral dragons with Ziggy on discord instead of FA anyway

Someone has given them money to make this bad choice there is no other explanation other than they're tired of their automated moderation AI giving false flags.

Nah. If it was purely for the money, then they wouldn't have made any of the dumb decisions they made over the last few years and wouldn't have shut off all means for discourse and dialog over Policies. The simple truth is that Dragoneer is a self-absorbed Egomaniac who wants to force artists to bend to what he sees as acceptable and his personal moral values while suppressing art he deems as "Undesirable". Also, as many people have pointed out, they still allow hardcore SA Art on this site, which they would've definitely taken a stance against if it was truly all about money to be honest. This is all about shaping the site to the ideals of its owner more than anything else.

Thankfully we got alternatives now and can let this stupid website die

Alternatives like what? Every furry alt site I know of never goes anywhere and most artists seem to use twitter as their primary now which I absolutely hate.

IB, Twitter, Aethy and Inkblot are gaining attention go to the various larger artists who are jumping ship they'll point one out

I feel the same. I dislike Twitter too much to move there.
The only app that has worked for me (in terms of being comfortable and helping to attract customers) is Telegram. Unfortunately, it is hard to get your art noticed there since it is not an art gallery / social media app.

Slowly, but surely FA is turning into "new DA". So much art is being purposely targeted here. Most pokemon and digimon will be gone. Half of the Mario universe is now unusable. I wonder what will they do with all the baby yoda fan art, cause. . . well the damn thing IS a child.

I wonder what will they do with all the baby yoda fan art, cause. . . well the damn thing IS a child.

Don't draw baby Yoda in sexual situations.

Problem solved.

"presence of sexual activity, sexual objects, nudity, or fetishized in a sexual way" again all vague talk. it wasn't just limited to sexual situations. You coudlnt' even do a parody of the Nirvana album cover without it being struct down.

Good thing i'm not an artist, plus I could care less about Baby Yoda, it was just a tempting example.

Just about fell out of my chair laughing at the mention of that! https://www.furaffinity.net/view/44816670/ Also, don't worry it's not underage stuff, just an Anubis parody.

HARDCORE SCAT, WELCOME ALL POOP EATERS!
EROTIC GORE, HUMP THAT LIVER, BABY!
HARDCORE RAPE, SHUT UP AND EAT MY COCK SPRINKLED IN SHARDS OF GLASS!
GORE, YEAH, GO INVINCIBLE WITH NICK WILDE!

but....a gabumon or an agumon on rule 34 scenario? NO, NO, NO.
the site's morals are so all over the place. WHY CREATE BETTER CONTENT FILTERS, WHEN YOU CAN SIMPLY GO GEORGE ORWELL AND TELL PEOPLE WHAT IS DEPRAVED AND WHAT IS NOT.

anyways....let's see how long this new mistake lasts.

Okay but... Rape still good.

Nothing morally questionable about that?

RIP chibi art.

Yeah, well I can at least report art that violates the new policy like this one.

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/28553156/

Was that the Dragoneer Eevee pic I've been hearing about?

No, it was a digimon.

It sucks. I'm going to have to leave the site due to my art style.

I looked at your gallery, and I don't see anything that would meet the criteria? You very specifically mention that your art is SFW, and you don't interact with NSFW stuff on that account. I'd say your work is perfectly safe from any issues.

Yeah, that's what I figured, but I guess I panicked too much.

Don't wanna be a downer but don't make promises to yourself in any case. Rules like this are meant to work solely on the personal interpretation of the team: Even if something isn't sexual in reality it can be if the team wants to see that, just as they'll want to see "underage characters" in just about anything with large heads and eyes.

The way you seem to do proportions will surely be targeted. Only good news is you don't seem to do anything they can obviously classify as sexual... if they really want they'll find a way of course, even normal sequences from cartoons that aired on television are argued to be sexual these days. I'd predict you won't be the first targeted but given enough time the insanity going on will eventually reach everyone sadly.

Is my art safe from any issues? Im worried too, yknow.

No childlike images...

No "young" images...

No sexual situations or paraphernalia...

Totally SFW...

You are quite safe.

Phew, thats a nice thing to hear, hopefully ill stay perfectly fine.

admin team of a furry art site makes a terrible and unnecessary decision with vague rules and guidelines? how shocking

i will always wonder what on earth causes people moderating websites and stuff to just ignore the people that use it. like why ignore the changes that people want to see to make the website more appealing to everyone and therefore draw in more people. i really want to know why bc stuff like this just loses the website a lot of users. like im no website developer but surely it would make more sense to listen to the users and make the changes that people want to make it better to use.

You got two options.

A. Add a name change feature

B. Add a new policy and spend all your time doing damage control.

Having done it at IB it's actually kinda tricky to do (text conversion to IDs on the backend then back for editing; insertion of IDs when searching on names; lots more), so I'm not 💯 surprised they didn't.

In a perfect world, there would be an easy way to tell.

Sadly, we live in the Real World which is seriously Fucked Up.

In a perfect world no one would care about sexual content in general especially fictional characters. Sadly we live in "Victorian age except with cars and smartphones" world.

The species summary really shows how broad these changes are... that one will hurt for sure x.x

Well, as I'm slowly getting more active in the furry community, I guess it was just a matter of time before I'd end up witnessing one of those infamous FA controversies I've read about before. And, I gotta say, it certainly delivers on the insanity I was promised! :(

Not only is this a very insane rule that is very loosely-worded and open to interpretation, but, as proven by what's happening to argonvile (combined with what I've heard from past FA ban controversies), it seems to be designed to actually target specific artists. Seriously, when you say that Koopas and Yoshis, which have always been shown to have the same proportions from adolescence to old age, are not OK and having art that sticks to their canonical proportions is grounds for getting banned and having your art removed, don't expect me not to think there's an anterior motive behind this rule. Like, these are some of the most prominent and popular Mario species I've seen around here, how can you be just go and be like "nah, they're all clearly children", when it's canon that they're not and the artist even makes it very explicitly clear?!

Also, "proportions changed to that of an adult"... these people do realize there are exception to the socially-accepted "proportions of an adult", right? Are you saying people suffering from dwarfism and other such-conditions are not actually adults? Do they even realize how abelistic that sounds? Imagine going to an adult suffering from dwarfism and telling them how they don't deserve happiness and love and sexual gratification because they look like they have the body of a child. That'd be so much more than prudishism, it'd be straight-up hideousness (the kind for which you should be stoned until you realize your asshole-ry).

Like, what if I have a Pichu OC that suffers from a condition that makes him unable to evolve? Apparently he shouldn't be allowed to exist, 'cause some lunatic thinks they look like a child. Apparently I can't write stories about him finding love and acceptance, because screw people who don't conform to societal norms, am I right? And what about characters like Mario? What if I was an artist with crush on Mario, of all people, and wanted to draw some lewd art of him? Are his proportions too "child-like", despite canonically being a full-grown man in his 20s that has a short posture? Well, again, I guess short people deserve to get fucked and be treated like shit and hated for what they are, right? How dare they be born the way they are? How dare people like them for who they are?

Sorry for the long rant, but just had to vent after finding out about this madness. It's not like this even actively affect my own account, but seeing some of artists, whose art I enjoyed over the years and helped me accept myself and my kinks, be under the threat of being banned for not following purposefully-vague rules, along with seeing hundreds more be thrown into a fear-fueled whirlpool of uncertainty and anxiety and having some idiots be like "ackshually, the clearly-vague rules don't say that, I suggest you read them more carefully!"... I don't know, it just really manages to infuriate me on a surprisingly personal level, somehow.

I got Pikachu, Cubone and Charmander porn in my gallery. Is that bannable? If I get more art with 1st form Pokemon, will I always have to ask if they are old enough?

Oh, you do? Well, too bad! *gets banhammer*

Really, it's insane how vague and subjective these rules are! And how they discriminate against short people, 1st stage Digimon, unevolved Pokémon... a lot of potential, so many stories about acceptance, tons of ideas designed to make others feel welcomed, all thrown out the window and into the fire, along with those that came up with them!

And the admins acting like this is for the best, that this is all to save the furry fandom... somebody needs to shoot these people off that high horse they're on! From what I understand, some of the mods even have art of unevolved Pokémon in their galleries that could very easily be subject to these insane rules, but will probably get a free pass! How do people defending this shit not see the double standards?!

This new policy pisses me off, I have a fennec fox oc that is short, small, cute, feminine, and very adult. I was planning to commission more art of them but now I'm not so sure, at the very least I'm never going to post it here now.
This hypocrisy is unprecedented, maybe we should seek out their art galleries and report their art featuring those species and characters, so they can better understand precisely what this policy is doing to everyone else.

I mean, reporting their own art isn't gonna do anything, when they'll be the ones reviewing it. They're just gonna say that their art is fine and the community's overreacting and just keep on pushing this like nothing even happened.

At this point, doing what WordCaster said would be the best form of protest, since that would actually affect them in some way. Cancel your FA+, encourage others to do the same and keep on using the site so the cost for keeping it up stays high. If enough people do this (including the more prominent artists here), then maybe it might cause the mods to rethink their policy. Just complaining doesn't seem to affect them, since the only thing they've recently changed is that 13+ minors can't be depicted as pregnant anymore (even though all discourse I've seen here and on Twitter was about how you can still include them in soft-yet-still-explicit fetishes like vore, as long as you don't show any genitals). Going after the site's income, however, definitely has more chances to yield results.

Just wanted to say, that Pichu idea sounds so sad but sweet... ;w;

Honestly, was just something I came up with on the spot because of all of this insanity, and now I'm kinda interested in doing a story based on it (...that is, whenever I manage to deal with the rest of my ever-increasing backlog of ideas, lol). Too bad the new policy kinda makes me scared of even doing a draft on it, since I got no freaking clue how this rule will even be applied to stories!

Like, what if I envision a character as having the same "child-like" proportions that are ban-worthy, yet somehow happen to never outright state it in the story itself or the description, and most I have are just allusions to that here and there? Have I still broken the rules? Is it still ban-worthy? Do I still get in trouble for it? Apparently, even the admins don't know, since the utter POSs in charge of "Minor Protective Services" were too busy playing D&D, instead of coming up with a guideline document for a POLICY THAT FA JUST PUBLICLY ANNOUNED! AND ONE THAT'S GONNA BE IN EFFECT IN JUST ABOUT A MONTH!! Not to mention that all they're saying on all this is directly in conflict with how they've been acting and responding to the tickets they've been receiving all this time!

Like, WHAT IN THE ACTUAL KRIFFING HELL?!?!?!

Almost the entire site is against them on this, they'll eventually have no choice but to roll it back. And if they don't? Fine, let's see them try and ban 90% of their fuckin' users.

During the Tumblr NSFW purge, they actually blacklisted tags like "chronic pain" supposedly due to drug-related shit. Of course the Puritan purges also target disabled people. Like how Hitler targeted the "work-shy" first.

It seems it always starts with them masquerading as doing it for "security" and to keep people "safe". And nobody questions it and where it will lead until it's too late.

How long until most, if not all fetishes are banned for being "too degenerate"? How long until fursuits are banned for being "dangerous" and associated with terrible things?

At least most people are starting to wake up now (though there are some special guys out there who're quite happily defending this shit and acting like everyone else is misunderstanding the hard-to-understand rule)! Question is if it isn't too late and if the backlash is actually gonna lead to anything.

Interesting how they always target sex before violence. God bless America /s

You still don't have the full upload size. The subscription size is still capped.

Yeah, it was even BETTER before the paywall.

RIP any flat-chested character

Or femboys, FA says fuck you femboys

Except no because by the same woke culture, drawing females with large breasts is "objectifying women" and also bad: A few months back there was controversy after they wanted to revive Space Jam or something, the animators redesigned Lola Bunny without breasts to "fight abuse against women"... they also cancelled Pepe Le Pew out of existence for the crime of the character being creepy during the 90's episodes. No matter how you put it you can't win with those people in the full delirium going on

Thank you for bringing up the diaper thing. It's just beyond ridiculous.

We need to ban Gabumon and Agumon kissing. We need to ban Koopas. We need to ban all manner of Pokemon! Otter pedohiles begone!

But all that art with infantile reversion and diaper baby play? Yeah that's totally fine and not at all the same thing! Who cares if he goes gaga and sucks on a pacifier and poops in a diaper and sleeps in a crib in a baby decorated room? Look at the proportions! Go on daddy fuck that adult proportioned infant all you want!

Just... ???????

But since you bring up the $5 a month... I get the feeling this is precisely *because* of just that.
Payment processors are notoriously prude, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is a knee-jerk reaction to a letter they got from Mastercard or VISA.

Wonder how long until they start banning "too feral" or even "too trans" content to save the oh so holy $5 a month from angry US-based payment processors. :/

Technically, none of. Practically, no one wants their payment processor be used to obtain illegal stuff, like drugs and CP.

Apparently you can use trouble tickets to submit site feedback, there's an option for it. I found that out from the FA mods on discord, which is the way they want you to do it I guess, so you could state your objections in there.

That's how they decided to make the change in the first place, a lot of people complained in their apparently.

I am cancelling my FA+
Empty promises then this crap?

You want to get a refund for your blue check mark?

Good to see how FA has killed my art career before it even started. Seems that I'll have to migrate to another site because I know that my cutsie childish art-style will be targeted and that all the characters I draw will be either mistaken or treated as minors.

Thanks a lot, furaffinity :)

You should report this guy under the new policy, clearly this is cub porn

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/28553156/

"The submission you are trying to find is not in our database"

Reminder to always be careful when posting what you think is satire in a place like FA: It can come true within minutes.

I'm going to guess it was one of Dragoneer's pictures, since he has an Eevee character that people were pointing out as a violation of the vague stupid rule.

Feral content next. First non-mystical ferals go, then later stricter to something like non-mystical dick types. Bet ya a beer and a shot.

I fear for the "community" Dragoneer bends over backwards for.

This is why we should have gatekept the furry community from these puriteens with daddy issues and a million undiagnosed mental issues harder, then this would have never happened in the first place

Why non-magical ferals only? Who says magical ferals don't need to be protected? It's still animal abuse happening in a magical world: It will magically cause the real thing to happen because reasons, ban it quickly before users won't be able to control themselves and rape their dogs, we must all be socially responsible we're all in this together bla-bla-bla!

signal boosting

I am going around telling everyone that has FA+ to cancel it.

My characters is a mouse and very small. Guess he’s not allowed on this hellsite.

Age him up.
Literally.
https://twitter.com/gyrofeather/sta.....369163777?s=20

Well this is a nice thing to see after work. What the fuck FA. Jeez... it's almost like, "we don't want to work too hard, so we're just going to make everything that might even slightly look like cub illegal"

They are targeting art styles they don't agree with.

That's fine, I'm targeting all FA+ members and telling them they should unsub.

It is very ridiculous and stupid for sure.

I definitely have.

I think we should just refuse. More work for them. https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10553747/

Same, honestly. Let's see them try and ban 90% of the fucking site's users.

I'll be real curious to see what does in fact happen.

We could very easily turn this into a smear campaign against FA, for discrimination against Dwarfism, people or characters who have Dwarfism, little people.

Just encourage everyone to drop FA+

How...hypocritic of the owner. How much of a moralless shitbag do you have to be to do this and not look at what you allow and what you done before?

We could have gotten the ability to name change our accounts, instead of deciding on new pointless policies.

Scum like this has no place here, and yet it still persists. We must overthrow.

Bahahaha! The bigotry of progressives is the same as conservatives.

Musings aside: he doeth protest too much, or, projection isn't exclusive to Cylons.

Dragoneer is a pedophile and either KiwisFarms or the FEDs are sniffing around his servers again.

I don't care about any rumors regarding Dragoneer as a person. I truly only care about the facts, and the fact is, he is a hypocrite. He serves an angry mob rather than the furry community.

Appealing to the mainstream sounds almost like an oxymoron for the furry fandom conceptually. It'll take to it like a bar of soap does to water; diluted into oblivion.

Hope something about this changes effectively immediately since they're just making their image look worse.

And I am going to try to empty their wallet as much as possible.

I will still encourage people to use FA, keep the server costs high :)

It's entirely baffling to me how so many people seem to be surprised by this, when the whole political climate in the US against anything that could even remotely be considered child pornography, or even just the porn industry in general, has been getting worse and worse for years now. Not just lawmakers either, banks and advertisers keep putting more and more pressure on adult websites every day as well.

Do people forget all the constant changes to Patreon's TOS regarding NSFW content? Tumblr's complete porn ban as a reaction to harsher legislation? That even OnlyFans of all places considered banning sexual content?

This isn't about the FA admins hating their users or targeting specific members. It's about not risking hefty fines, not having their bank accounts taken away or even not going to jail for distributing what the law decides is child porn that day.

And don't think this will not get any worse. While they are currently operating under the guise of being "concerned about child pornography", there are powerful people whose end-goal is to ban ALL forms of porn. And they are actively working towards that right now. If they get their way, you bet your ass that the more "deviant" forms of NSFW content like furries will be very high on the list of things to go. (LGBTQA+ in general isn't far from the top either.)

Americans, there are a few things I want to say to you: Get your shit together. Stop imposing your "values" on the rest of the world, and stop being such fucking prudes in general. Don't let the puritans win.

If a billion lemming jumped off a cliff, the local fox would encourage it and eat them all.

Same with society.

US government: *Bans all kinds of porn to try and convince adults to have kids*

also US government: *Raises the cost of everything making it impossible to afford having kids*

I mean you can still fuck a horse in some states. We just had a slut for a president :P

wait is that actually real? if so that's absolutely wild

Yep, iirc there's over 20 states where fucking animals isn't a crime.

Meanwhile, know what isn't a crime across all of America? Jerking off to cartoons whose arbitrary age numbers aren't 18 or higher, or who look a certain way, or are fuckin' POKEMON. The FBI has had to tell people off for wasting their time and resources calling them to cry about loli shit, ffs. They don't give a shit, because they're busy protecting REAL CHILDREN from REAL PREDATORS.

I have been banned in the past SOLELY for having a chibi artstyle and making porn. Do not think for a SECOND I trust Dragoneer, Chase, or the rest of the FurAffinity staff in their judgement.

I was the first to go YEARS ago. Let that be your warning.

Now is the time to focus on sinking the website, everyone keep using FA a lot at the same time cancel FA+

It is the logical conclusion when you decide that what matters isn't the real harm happening, but rather the mere depiction of the idea. Australia followed with this idea and ended up banning real porn and pictures of legal age women if they are flat-chested or "petite" enough. They then went ahead with any non-reviewed anime and manga/doujins even if they aren't straight up loli because they tend to do chibi or small breasts and there MIGHT be a risk of some of it making it through.

There are more absurdities and the malicious people behind them waiting for the right moment to push the needle further. They complain about degenerate art, manufacture panics and "epidemics of filth", draw a few gullible or misguided to their side, push the argument further and when the time is ripe, push the furry community just a little further into the closet. They complain about wanting morality in the community but don't give a shit about it and just want to push a right-wing agenda.

They have recently had a successful push with their think-of-the-children rebrand to impose unworkable standards on porn sites with age verification in order to knock porn offline and are now testing what kind of arguments fly with the furry communities for much the same effect.

I can only imagine that babyfur or diapers will be a distant next target because "although it depicts adults, it depicts the IDEA of sexualizing children, and we all know it's wrong to do that". Whatever their target once they manage to fracture the community a bit more they then use their wins as a license to attack the new split forcing them to go underground and then they repeat the process again by creating a NEW, more pure in-group, single out another faction of "degenerates" to attack, and so on.

It's the fascist playbook and it always starts like this, it promises this is it and surely it doesn't intend to go any further, then it does it again, dragging the layperson deeper and deeper with them with small concessions and the complicity of those who ignore it because, "at least it's not them being targeted, it's just a small group of weirdos so who cares" until eventually one day they too become the target.

The slippery slope is not gonna end here. From the moment it's been established it has been successfully pushed further several times. Fascist groups have been trying to erode the furry fandom for a long times and have repeatedly failed to make their movement look "cool" enough to draw meaningful amounts of furries in. With this think-of-the-children moral panic - the same panic that's been used to push Orwellian surveillance laws, anti-LGBTQ and theocratic regimes all over the world - they have found a successful method and they will not stop exploiting it.

Very well spoken, couldn't have said it better. What's happening on FA is part of a general American cultural revolution, manifesting elsewhere too with globalism and all. I still remember how as a teen I'd think to myself "why was I cursed to be born in this weird place called Romania, everyone I know who is like me is from America, can't wait to flee this ugly primitive country for the open and advanced USA"... now I'm thanking my lucky stars I was born in a place that's relatively sane and people ultimately mind their own business, which may be a bit on the conservative side but not the fanatical sort anywhere near certain cult-owned US states.

The practical reality is simple: The admins are going to ban artists if they personally dislike the art style in which they draw their characters. Maybe some are even telling themselves "that's not what it's about" in their own minds, yet that's precisely what it will be in practice. The rule is meant to give every moderator leeway to remove submissions and suspend creators as they see fit, or more accurately based on who they personally consider is worthy of still being a creator on this platform. By its nature the new rule can't be enforced on anything concrete and universally agreeable, you can't have an anatomy or proportion guide describing what will count... it's meant to be enforced solely on the personal impressions of some admins, no one can even know for sure if they're breaking it or not!

A few months ago I was almost permanently banned for making an innocent joke: I was downright told my submission broke a rule it didn't have anything to do with! I appealed and got my suspension overturned, but without any apology or correction or my submission being reinstated. So to anyone who imagines "don't worry if there's a mistake we'll just appeal and solve it" sorry but no; At best you'll be unsuspended a few day sooner... if the way you draw anatomy since you learned art is considered unwoke, your submissions will remain forbidden and you'll be banned if you don't relearn how to draw to the admins liking.

Correction: What I actually mean is any one moderator not liking it. Because all it will take is one banning you for your art style, the verdict of "never post this again" will remain no matter the appeal. Even in a very optimist scenario one mod may say "sorry we made a mistake you can keep posting this style" then weeks / months / years later another mod comes and says "hey this isn't allowed and since you were banned for it in the past we'll presume you're acting in ill intent" since they likely aren't going to keep track of or care what you discussed with another mod in the past.

Oh yes: And let us not forget the army of users currently waiting in a trance of hatred to start spamming reports on every gallery they can think of using the new rule. The admins will be flooded, forced to make quick decisions, and since "bad man everywhere, must catch bad man" is their programming the decision will surely be to remove everything first. No matter how you put it FA is about to start griefing most of its creators and deleting itself out of existence in the process.

Oh yeah, Chase did that to me back in '07. They will ABSOLUTELY witch-hunt and ban, which is funny because I have a direct note from Dragoneer saying his staff don't do that and it SURE aged like warm milk.

I'm not even sure why this change was at all necessary. Cub content hasn't been allowed here for like, what, ten or so years?

People who were here for that probably moved on a long time ago, and everyone else has been relatively fine with upload policies since then. Surely the few whom insist on posting cub here can be dealt with on a case by case basis?

Whether or not this policy has been in effect for months as they claim, it's absolute overkill.

That is one of the big questions here. What exactly is this new policy meant to be targeting? What big outbreak of cub content right now is happening to require this? Are the mods actually saying that the use of Pokemon and other such characters is intended to be a run-around on the cub content ban? If yes, why wasn't this brought up in the many, many years since? Why now?

No kids allowed on a website mostly used by people with outrageous fetishes. Furaffinity is now officially better than e621.

FA said, "Hold my beer."

https://twitter.com/cchilab/status/.....757337600?s=20

May 19 - "..we have continued to evolve our rules to prevent minors from being exploited..."

This will help no one lul. <insert 'This is worthless!' meme here>

They wish to police the fandom, at the same time do nothing about actual crimes.

Don't worry, eventually they'll say drawing ferals is like screwing real animals. Banned!

i think this will be the next big thing ..

"What matters is not who you are, but rather what you look like" sounds kind of racist to me, imo.

No, no, FA isn't targeting species.

Just be aware posting something small like an otter is always small chance to getting permabanned while posting a dragon has a 0 risk.

I guess we just need to stay away from Zootopia level stereotypes, and we won't feel the sting of a banhammer. The new rules are absurd.

My otter is smoll! he also has a little beard! I'll be fine!

Wait, we can just put beards on all the Pokemon, problem solved!
...
That might actually solve the problem Jesus FA mods where are your brains?

Beard means they went trough puberty confirmed! Problem solved, all the cute little bolds, otts and whatnot will become rugged "men"!

So, I've noticed my name has the word op next to it. Is that linked to this? Idk what it means. It wasn't there yeserday, I know that.

It is new, it's... Very unnecessary. I don't think anyone was getting confused on original posters.

Another thing no one asked for :/

Technically, it did only account for NSFW art. The issue is drawing NSFW of "child characters"

I don't even draw NSFW shit and i still don't like the rule somewhat. Like... really gonna judge anatomically based on humans to a multitude of furry species that probably were only 1% based on humans to begin with?

It's extremely stupid, this picture here https://www.furaffinity.net/view/17954902/ I have to remove to the new Policy. Because it's not a Marowak.

Their morality is whatever they think that will make them look better to angry Twitter users.

I hope this website doesn't get shutdown, nor do I wish bad things to the owner. What I do wish is either A, get his head out of his ass or B, just pass the website to someone else. FA is still a place a lot of artists rely on getting commissions as Twitter isn't a great place for artists. Shutting down FA, would hurt a lot of artists.

In my opinion, the actions of the owner is less political party wing and more like an NFT bro.

- Makes promises that money it makes, will improve the website, and then never delivers on big promises.
- Completely ignores all criticism to the point the ignoring is practically a parody.
- Rules are mostly suggestions, people in charge make judgements based on how they feel.
- Rules are subject to change based on what's popular on Twitter, AKA hate mob targets, USA politics and USA events.

There is a reason why Dragoneer has never been an honored guest for any furry convention, while the first owner of FA has been. No one likes an NFT bro, it's cringe.

I disagree. I know too many artists that rely on this website for commissions. They would be hurt if it shuts down.

There is no need to respect a country or its flag. Remember, the entire world is not America, it appears both you and Dragoneer often forget that.

Then what are the lies I believe in?

Wonder if anything will change since the site will presumably come under new leadership with dragon gone, I get the feeling it won’t honestly.

It will have too.

You think whoever takes over will try to reverse the controversial policies?

I do hope they do, the rules are an embarrassment